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  • The Falkland Islands War

    One thing that I never understood at the time was, the Argentine Dictator Galteri actually thought that Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher would never go to war against him, in the event that his forces invaded the Falklands, back in 1982.

    I mean, the British were holding the left flank in Europe against the Soviets with their BAOR. How could this tin-pot, dictator, dumbass ever think that she'd let a major thing like the violent seizure of British National Property go un-noticed? DId he actually think that the Soviets would not take notice of, learn and react from her reactions?

    Granted, the Argies had unbelievably heavy, national inflation and an internal revolution formenting at the time, but to wager everything on the extremely remote and implausable possiblilty that the British would agree to the violent take-over of their national property by a foreign power was patently absurd and insane. What say you guys and gals?
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  • #2
    The Argies needed something to distract the populace and give Galteri a massive popularity boost. Galteri also thought that the Brits had given up on Empire, so no one would care about it. Finally Maggie was a new PM "Only a Women" ( ) and hadn't really shown off her double hard bastard side. This lead to a slight miscalculation.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Listy View Post
      Finally Maggie was a new PM "Only a Women" ( ) and hadn't really shown off her double hard bastard side. This lead to a slight miscalculation.
      Great comment!! Fortunately for the Islanders, Maggie was PM - think what would NOT have happened had John, Tone, or Gordon been PM!

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      • #4
        I think John would have still kicked off, but at the time he was PM we didn't have the ability to invade.
        Winnie says
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        "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

        It was an Accident."
        Herr Flick.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Listy View Post
          The Argies needed something to distract the populace and give Galteri a massive popularity boost. Galteri also thought that the Brits had given up on Empire, so no one would care about it. Finally Maggie was a new PM "Only a Women" ( ) and hadn't really shown off her double hard bastard side. This lead to a slight miscalculation.
          Yeah, but I was some dumbassed Yank watching it all unfold on tv and listening to it on the BBC on my short wave radio and I knew the minute that it happened that Thatcher was going to kick all of the Argentines out of the islands posthaste, or bankrupt the government in the attempt.

          What did that tin-pot dictator miss that I innately understood?
          I'm not a rocket scientist, but even I knew that Thatcher couldn't take a chance on showing weakness in the face of the Soviet presence in Eastern Europe. How could Galteri have been so stupid?
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          • #6
            Soviets where a non-issue. Spain and china where a different matter though...
            Winnie says
            ---------------------------------
            "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

            It was an Accident."
            Herr Flick.

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            • #7
              It's never a sure thing . . .

              From his seat it looked like a fair bet, esp. given his worsening domestic situation.

              For comparison - which move was less realistic:
              1. Argentina siezing the Falklands
              2. Japan attacking Pearl Harbor


              IMO if Japan could miscalculate her entry into WWII, a tin-pot dictator could miscalculate his own brief moment on the world stage that much more easily.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Listy View Post
                Soviets where a non-issue. Spain and china where a different matter though...
                No way! The Soviet economy was less than ten years away from imploding and would have had nothing to lose. Had Galteri bothered to consult any history books about NATO, he would have quickly seen that any war-like moves made towards the UK would have resulted in a devastating response.
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                • #9
                  Its also worth baring in mind that at the time, we were giving out some pretty strong signals that control of the Islands wouldnt be contested.

                  There had been, by as early as the late 1970's, propositions put forward behind the scenes that Britain may, at some point, consider a joint governership of the islands.

                  Add to this the fact that we were shortly before the invasion, due to withdraw the only major naval unit in the area (HMS Endurance), were in the process of selling off our remaining aircraft carriers (Hermes to India, Invincible to Australia) and the fact that Thatcher's government was in a poor state at the time (its comonly agreed that victory in the Falklands propelled her to victory at the next election) and its not hard to see why Galtieri thought he could 'get away' with it.

                  Im sure that in his own mind, he believed that the invasion would be nothing more than a formality, a publicity stunt on a huge scale, which would be met with apathy in the UK.
                  Goering: What can I do for you?

                  Moelders: Upgraded engines for my Bf 109s.

                  Galland:
                  A squadron of Spitfires.

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                  • #10
                    Excellent points Admiral Keppel
                    Those that forget history are condemed to repeat it.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Admiral_Keppel View Post
                      Its also worth baring in mind that at the time, we were giving out some pretty strong signals that control of the Islands wouldnt be contested.

                      There had been, by as early as the late 1970's, propositions put forward behind the scenes that Britain may, at some point, consider a joint governership of the islands.

                      Add to this the fact that we were shortly before the invasion, due to withdraw the only major naval unit in the area (HMS Endurance), were in the process of selling off our remaining aircraft carriers (Hermes to India, Invincible to Australia) and the fact that Thatcher's government was in a poor state at the time (its comonly agreed that victory in the Falklands propelled her to victory at the next election) and its not hard to see why Galtieri thought he could 'get away' with it.

                      Im sure that in his own mind, he believed that the invasion would be nothing more than a formality, a publicity stunt on a huge scale, which would be met with apathy in the UK.
                      Except that it was a violent takeover of a sovereign portion of the British Empire. People died because of Argentina's actions. Several spirited skirmishes took place between the two powers during the invasion.

                      This was a gross insult to the UK that could not simply be borne nor ignored, if they wanted to continue to be viewed throughout the world as a viable, international, power.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnbryan View Post
                        Except that it was a violent takeover of a sovereign portion of the British Empire. People died because of Argentina's actions. Several spirited skirmishes took place between the two powers during the invasion.

                        This was a gross insult to the UK that could not simply be borne nor ignored, if they wanted to continue to be viewed throughout the world as a viable, international, power.
                        That's how Maggie saw it - but a Labour government or even a lesser Tory leader would have just rolled over and begged for more.

                        Maggie should have been made Empress Eternal, instead she was stabbed in the back by her own party.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Doctor Sinister View Post
                          Maggie should have been made Empress Eternal, instead she was stabbed in the back by her own party.

                          Dr. S.


                          I still suspect that John Major had some fire in him, but was a bit shafted by the Tories becoming accident prone, Like the current mob are.
                          Winnie says
                          ---------------------------------
                          "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                          It was an Accident."
                          Herr Flick.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by johnbryan View Post
                            Except that it was a violent takeover of a sovereign portion of the British Empire. People died because of Argentina's actions. Several spirited skirmishes took place between the two powers during the invasion.

                            This was a gross insult to the UK that could not simply be borne nor ignored, if they wanted to continue to be viewed throughout the world as a viable, international, power.
                            Legally you are correct. Morally you are correct. How many politicians can you name that rate high in both categories? Apparently Gen. Galtieri could not name any - and the rest is history.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by johnbryan View Post
                              Except that it was a violent takeover of a sovereign portion of the British Empire. People died because of Argentina's actions. Several spirited skirmishes took place between the two powers during the invasion.

                              This was a gross insult to the UK that could not simply be borne nor ignored, if they wanted to continue to be viewed throughout the world as a viable, international, power.
                              I agree with what you're saying, but my point was that had Galtieri waited for the sale of the aircraft carriers, in all probability, we would have been unable to have retaken the Islands by force, unless we chose to park a few subs off the islands and starve the Argentine forces into submission.

                              Originally posted by Doctor Sinister
                              That's how Maggie saw it - but a Labour government or even a lesser Tory leader would have just rolled over and begged for more.

                              Maggie should have been made Empress Eternal, instead she was stabbed in the back by her own party.

                              Dr. S.
                              Well, lets not forget it was Thatcher's government which was negotiating the sale of the same aircraft carriers which we later relied on.

                              As with most things in life, the key to success in the Falklands was timing - and the junta's miscalculation led to a lot of deaths on both sides in a war which could have been avoided.
                              Goering: What can I do for you?

                              Moelders: Upgraded engines for my Bf 109s.

                              Galland:
                              A squadron of Spitfires.

                              It is said that Goering then lost his temper.

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