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  • Do a Blackjack Pershing?

    Should we do what some of you heard what Pershing did in the Phillipinnes in Iraq as a psychological weapon? (In short) Had some Muslim prisoners, greased the bullets in pig grease with the prisoners watching. Shot all but one and let him go. No more problems with those folks for a VERY long time.
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    Not a good idea. Will only provoke more vicious and gruesome attacks against military and civilian personnel in Iraq.

    Pershing's technique wasn't a runaway success. It only encouraged more fearsome Moro attacks against US soldiers in Mindanao, the Philippines.

    Juramentados - Moro warriors who took oaths to kill as many Americans as possible - began to waylay and wreak terrible havoc among US patrols.

    Legend has it that the M1911 .45 caliber automatic pistol was invented to stop suicidal juramentados dead on their tracks - which the .38 caliber round was deemed incapable of.


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    • #3
      Absolutely not - this would be, to quote an idiom, "the pot calling the kettle black".

      Psyops are quite useful, and in some instances, quite effective. While it would be somewhat accurate to call the effects on the surviving prisoner psyops, with the others it would be only cold-blooded murder. "Like begets like".
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      (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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      • #4
        Exactly my thoughts but it my dad would say yes, but I believe he is right. We have stirred up a Hornet's nest here and they want us DEAD... The only way to stop that is to get rid of them all. (He is an open person but I think he's right, we are too busy messing around)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BarcelonaBlom
          Exactly my thoughts but it my dad would say yes, but I believe he is right. We have stirred up a Hornet's nest here and they want us DEAD... The only way to stop that is to get rid of them all. (He is an open person but I think he's right, we are too busy messing around)
          I disagree and think that we should pull out all the stops to humiliate these Muslim extremists. What are we afraid of... revealing reality? These folks can't get any more worked up to kill Americans, why not stir our people up to see the truth.

          THEY HATE OUR GUTS AND WANT TO PERFORM GENOCIDE ON US AND ISRAEL. How much madder can they get? What part don't you understand?

          Stop the appeasement schtick and let's get on with it. Bath the bastards in pork blood and turn their desert into glass. That will scare the living crap out of those idiots.
          "We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free."- Ronald Reagan at the D-Day Anniversary

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          • #6
            Re: Do a Blackjack Pershing?

            Originally posted by BarcelonaBlom
            Should we do what some of you heard what Pershing did in the Phillipinnes in Iraq as a psychological weapon? (In short) Had some Muslim prisoners, greased the bullets in pig grease with the prisoners watching. Shot all but one and let him go. No more problems with those folks for a VERY long time.
            That's also the kind of mentality that started the 1857 Sepoy Mutiny in India......................
            Lance W.

            Peace through superior firepower.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Viper 10
              Stop the appeasement schtick and let's get on with it. Bath the bastards in pork blood and turn their desert into glass. That will scare the living crap out of those idiots. [/B]


              That's hilarious. Largest mirror in the world! So much for comparing Viper with Chamberlain.

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              • #8
                It must be the military brat in me coming out... in combination with my sandpaper Sponge Bob underwear.

                Did someone want a politically correct solution to this?

                Can someone here purpose a way that we in the western Judeo-Christian democratic free world can convince these muslim dictatorial "throwbacks to ancient times" fanatics that all we want is to play nice-nice games and hold hands with each other?

                Until you can, the only way that I see that will intimidate them is to do what they do to their hostages and enemies... only worse and with a larger magnitude. They think that our Christian values are a sign of weakness.

                - How many wars have we won through an appeasement policy?

                - How many of those allies (that we have bought through appeasement) will be there backing us up when the shooting starts (shades of France, Germany and Russia)?

                - How many of these "allies" (that we got through appeasement) are doing business behind our backs with our enemies and actually selling these idiots weapons?

                Rather than criticize my solution, jump in with your diplomatic solutions...
                "We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we may always be free."- Ronald Reagan at the D-Day Anniversary

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                • #9
                  I don't think full blown, no prisoners taken warfare will be that effective. We do need to be tougher, but full out-and-out warfare like that does lead to extreme hatred and would push the moderate Muslims into the extremist camp. And don't let the media's perception fool you, there are a lot of them out there. But one country we should totally disown ourselves from is Saudi Arabia. It just gives me the creeps, being in cahoots with those guys.
                  "Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for"
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                  • #10
                    Gentlemen
                    There is no way out of this situation we (the US and whatever Allies we have left) have basiccally created. But one fact is very clear, the Radical Fundementalist Muslims have signed our death warrent. They will now fight us in ways we can't even comprehend as Westerners. These people, have been planning the downfall of the West and Israel for a long while now, almost a continuation of the Crusades if you will. We(Christians, Jews, Hindus Buddists Shintos, and any other religion not mentioned) are Infidels in their eyes, and in their skewed view of the Koran, we must be eliminated off of the Earth!
                    Don't get me wrong here, I'm not preaching genocide against all Muslim people, I respect the true followers of that ancient and basically peaceful religion. I have read the Koran, and as with the Holy Bible, some people have found ways to take it to the Ultra-exteme. They will try to drumbeat other Muslim factions to their aid, by declaring Jihad and the like. We are walking on eggshells here! The last thing this world needs is another Holy War! With all the resources our countries have, we should be taking this thing alot more seriously, and, Yes the Kid Gloves need to come off to some extent. These people only see might as a force. That is how local fundemental warlords whip up armies, by force of threat. Sure , no denying, a hardline stand is going to **** alot more people off, but those folks were probably going to sway the other way, anyway. Any student of History should be able to see what a mess this is and is going yet to be, and solutions are getting slim. But how can you fight these people? You sure as hell can't offer any olive branches or you'll get soundly thrashed with it. They don't want to talk like civilized men do when attempting to resolve situations. All they understand is force and the laws of the Fundementalist Clerics, who send them to their deaths, believing they will sit at the Right Hand of Allah with 50 virgins in the great beyond!! Suggestions????
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BarcelonaBlom
                      Exactly my thoughts but it my dad would say yes, but I believe he is right. We have stirred up a Hornet's nest here and they want us DEAD... The only way to stop that is to get rid of them all. (He is an open person but I think he's right, we are too busy messing around)
                      murder is murder - whoever does it. Our forces are trained for combat, not murder. If we want murder, we should hire mercenaries better suited to such acts. Otherwise, we should stick to acting as defenders of freedom and democracy, not the destroyers of it.
                      Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
                      (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hogdriver
                        murder is murder - whoever does it. Our forces are trained for combat, not murder. If we want murder, we should hire mercenaries better suited to such acts. Otherwise, we should stick to acting as defenders of freedom and democracy, not the destroyers of it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Viper 10
                          I disagree and think that we should pull out all the stops to humiliate these Muslim extremists. What are we afraid of... revealing reality? These folks can't get any more worked up to kill Americans, why not stir our people up to see the truth.

                          THEY HATE OUR GUTS AND WANT TO PERFORM GENOCIDE ON US AND ISRAEL. How much madder can they get? What part don't you understand?

                          Stop the appeasement schtick and let's get on with it. Bath the bastards in pork blood and turn their desert into glass. That will scare the living crap out of those idiots.

                          Don't exacerbate a stupid mistake with another stupid mistake.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BarcelonaBlom
                            All they understand is force and the laws of the Fundementalist Clerics, who send them to their deaths, believing they will sit at the Right Hand of Allah with 50 virgins in the great beyond!! Suggestions????
                            I snipped the rest to save space.

                            It appears you are discussing Iraq, if so keep reading. If not, go on to the next post.

                            I generally try to avoid discussions of current events in Iraq, although I am asked to here from time to time. The reason for that is that I get most of my information through classified sources, and I want to be very wary of releasing something of operational value to the bad people of the world. In this case, I will make an exception because there are a couple of misconceptions about the people in Iraq who are shooting at us that deserve to be cleared up. The truth is that these people are:

                            1. Far from a majority. Very few Iraqis participate in or support anti-coalition/anti-Iraqi government forces. Local townspeople routinely shoot those guys before they can hit us. Coverning prisoners in pig's blood might seem appropriate to some, but it will cost the support of the majority of the people of Iraq.

                            2. Generally secular. Under Saddam Hussein and his predecessors, Iraq was a secular, Socialist state, run largely by criminal opportunists. There has not been a religion-based government here since the middle ages. The lead cleric, the Grand Ayatollah Sistani, is firmly against clerics in government, and 65% of the country follow him, in that he is the head of the Shi'ites. The average Iraqi does not wear traditional Arabic clothing and does not have a beard -- Islamic fundamentalists usually have both. This does not mean they are not religious -- they are very religious -- but that is separate from their political life.

                            3. Patriotic Iraqis. Shi'ites from Basrah fought hard against their brother Shi'ties from Iran during the Iran-Iraq War.

                            4. Anti-American. The average Iraqi doesn't give a crap one way or another about America or Britain. He is (surprise!) more concerned with getting a job, feeding his family, and living a good life.

                            There are, generally, a couple of groups that fight us.

                            1. Sadr and his militants. Contrary to what I said above, this guy is Muslim militant. His goals as I see them are to keep coalition forces away from religious shrines, and to establish his credibility as a leader of the poor among the Shi'a to his political and/or religious benefit.

                            2. Die-hard Sunni Ba'athists. These are Sunnis who fear losing political power to the Shi'a, who outnumber them, the loss of which will limit their ability to generate funds illegally.

                            3. Terrorists. There are all kinds of reports in the newspapers about terrorists in Iraq. Where there's smoke there's fire.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Janos
                              I snipped the rest to save space.

                              It appears you are discussing Iraq, if so keep reading. If not, go on to the next post.

                              I generally try to avoid discussions of current events in Iraq, although I am asked to here from time to time. The reason for that is that I get most of my information through classified sources, and I want to be very wary of releasing something of operational value to the bad people of the world. In this case, I will make an exception because there are a couple of misconceptions about the people in Iraq who are shooting at us that deserve to be cleared up. The truth is that these people are:

                              1. Far from a majority. Very few Iraqis participate in or support anti-coalition/anti-Iraqi government forces. Local townspeople routinely shoot those guys before they can hit us. Coverning prisoners in pig's blood might seem appropriate to some, but it will cost the support of the majority of the people of Iraq.

                              2. Generally secular. Under Saddam Hussein and his predecessors, Iraq was a secular, Socialist state, run largely by criminal opportunists. There has not been a religion-based government here since the middle ages. The lead cleric, the Grand Ayatollah Sistani, is firmly against clerics in government, and 65% of the country follow him, in that he is the head of the Shi'ites. The average Iraqi does not wear traditional Arabic clothing and does not have a beard -- Islamic fundamentalists usually have both. This does not mean they are not religious -- they are very religious -- but that is separate from their political life.

                              3. Patriotic Iraqis. Shi'ites from Basrah fought hard against their brother Shi'ties from Iran during the Iran-Iraq War.

                              4. Anti-American. The average Iraqi doesn't give a crap one way or another about America or Britain. He is (surprise!) more concerned with getting a job, feeding his family, and living a good life.

                              There are, generally, a couple of groups that fight us.

                              1. Sadr and his militants. Contrary to what I said above, this guy is Muslim militant. His goals as I see them are to keep coalition forces away from religious shrines, and to establish his credibility as a leader of the poor among the Shi'a to his political and/or religious benefit.

                              2. Die-hard Sunni Ba'athists. These are Sunnis who fear losing political power to the Shi'a, who outnumber them, the loss of which will limit their ability to generate funds illegally.

                              3. Terrorists. There are all kinds of reports in the newspapers about terrorists in Iraq. Where there's smoke there's fire.

                              JS

                              Hey that was my dad, you think I would type something that long? I agree to a point but I think it will only make things worse, but him and Viper are right, these Extrememists want us all dead.
                              The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed. -Carl Jung

                              Hell is other people. -Jean-Paul Sarte

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