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    Questions:
    What is the likely outcome of the current war on Islamic terrorism based on the facts that you know?
    How can it be changed to result in a different outcome?


    I request that only the questions be answered with no comment to any answer, until all have replied.
    If you have no answer then state in a reply that you have no answer. :terms:

    No one is forced to reply but it would be useful to discuss in another thread some of the answers posted. :nonono:


    Thank you.
    Only Tearful, Animal Man Through the Nature of his Being is Destined to
    a Life of Warfare...

  • #2
    Yes - specific goals may be achieved. No - it won't be a real victory.
    And it can't.
    “To discriminate against a thoroughly upright citizen because he belongs to some particular church, or because, like Abraham Lincoln, he has not avowed his allegiance to any church, is an outrage against that liberty of conscience which is one of the foundations of American life.”

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    • #3
      Re: Answers Only, Please

      Originally posted by Scout Out
      Questions:
      What is the likely outcome of the current war on Islamic terrorism based on the facts that you know?
      How can it be changed to result in a different outcome?


      I request that only the questions be answered with no comment to any answer, until all have replied.
      If you have no answer then state in a reply that you have no answer. :terms:

      No one is forced to reply but it would be useful to discuss in another thread some of the answers posted. :nonono:



      Thank you.
      These types will not be bargained with - not in good faith anyway. They know only one way, force and violence, and respond positively only to force and violence. A traditional victory can be no more achieved than one may exterminate all the roaches, flies or mosquitos. Neverthless, they may be attrited to the point of being combat ineffective. Only by hitting hard and often at their nerve centers, their centers of gravity, their rallying points may the be weakened. try to recruit away their masses (not likely, but worth a try), attack their funding sources, both national and individual, try to infiltrate, to paralyze. Only by continuous, strong and resolute action may they be neutralized. Every person and organization has its breaking point - by striking hard, we may find theirs.
      Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
      (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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      • #4
        How do you render a group combat ineffective when they just need to strap c-4 to one person's vest and get on a bus?
        “To discriminate against a thoroughly upright citizen because he belongs to some particular church, or because, like Abraham Lincoln, he has not avowed his allegiance to any church, is an outrage against that liberty of conscience which is one of the foundations of American life.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Overseer
          How do you render a group combat ineffective when they just need to strap c-4 to one person's vest and get on a bus?
          You eliminate those with the finances and connections to procure the C-4.
          Lance W.

          Peace through superior firepower.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Overseer
            How do you render a group combat ineffective when they just need to strap c-4 to one person's vest and get on a bus?
            Attack the group's ability to recruit the youths/young adults who would strap the explosives to their bodies. You notice that no terrorist "leader" has ever been a suicide bomber, haven't you? Sound kind of odd? Every person or group has their "jelly spot". The thing is to find it and exploit it. In recent weeks, at least two (that I've heard) 17 year olds have arrived at an Israeli checkpoint, and then revealed themselves to the soldiers. Sounds like the indoctrination doesn't always work - some people are more attached to life than to "martyrdom". When the suicide bomber pool dries up, the terrorists will have to find another way.
            Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
            (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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            • #7
              Nuke them all, turn that whole area of the world into glass:thumb:

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              • #8
                Victory over suicide will only happen when they realise that there are options. To reach this goal they must get out from under the foot of tyrrany most of the middle east currently find themselves under.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hogdriver
                  Attack the group's ability to recruit the youths/young adults who would strap the explosives to their bodies. You notice that no terrorist "leader" has ever been a suicide bomber, haven't you? Sound kind of odd? Every person or group has their "jelly spot". The thing is to find it and exploit it. In recent weeks, at least two (that I've heard) 17 year olds have arrived at an Israeli checkpoint, and then revealed themselves to the soldiers. Sounds like the indoctrination doesn't always work - some people are more attached to life than to "martyrdom". When the suicide bomber pool dries up, the terrorists will have to find another way.
                  Which is exactly what I was talking about. You can't do it through military victories alone. Something a lot of people, including many people in leadership positions, don't seem to grasp.
                  “To discriminate against a thoroughly upright citizen because he belongs to some particular church, or because, like Abraham Lincoln, he has not avowed his allegiance to any church, is an outrage against that liberty of conscience which is one of the foundations of American life.”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Overseer
                    Which is exactly what I was talking about. You can't do it through military victories alone. Something a lot of people, including many people in leadership positions, don't seem to grasp.
                    Yes, in Vietnam era speak, it is more a hearts and minds battle than a military one. They must see that their are good, reasonable opportunities other than violence and terror. When suicide bombing, truck bombing, terror and indiscriminate murder seem as wrong and senseless as they are, the recruit pool will dry up, and the terrorists will be marginalized. They will still function, but at a much lower strength and tempo, and under constant threat of capture or annihilation. The Iraqi Government must maintain the pressure - terrorists, like cockroaches, will multiply if left alone.
                    Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
                    (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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                    • #11
                      One way to do it would be to somehow improve their economy. Alot of these kids strapping c-4 to themselves are doing it out of a blind faith to some psychotic demi-god who tells them that the way out of their poverty and misery is to kill themselves for Allah. As stupid as this sounds to the rest of the planet, these people who have nothing in their lives will grasp at anything in order to make themselves feel like they matter for one reason or another.

                      Trust me, if we could somehow corral up all the terrorist leaders in one place I would be the first one to launch the ICBM at them. However, like most wars, the majority of the people in that area of the world are just trying to live their lives without some ******* blowing them or their children to pieces. I work with 5 Bosnian Muslims and their hatred for Bin Laden knows no boundries. They don't even acknowledge him as a Muslim because what he preaches is written NOWHERE in the Koran.
                      Minister Of Propaganda For Sinister Inc.

                      "Look! The enemy is inviting us to defeat them! We must oblige them!"

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                      • #12
                        we are not going to win if we keep following these stupid rules of engagement. I heard that our troops cant fire unless fired on, theres no why you could hope to win a PC kind of war with the enemy we are faceing that was proven in Vietnam, forget this harts and minds crap just let our guys do there job or else theres no why we can hope to win against any enemy.

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                        • #13
                          A-freakin'-men!
                          Minister Of Propaganda For Sinister Inc.

                          "Look! The enemy is inviting us to defeat them! We must oblige them!"

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                          • #14
                            we can win in Iraq, but the Middle-East has never known peace. NEVER.

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                            • #15
                              yes, the economy is a key component. Also, they need to believe in the democratic form of government. If they are satisfied with a semi-theocracy, or some other arbitrary form of rule, we can put together any number of provisional or interim assemblies and hold election after election - they will all fail. The Iraqis must believe that a freely elected government and a free market economy will benefit them. They must trust that these democratically elected leaders will not treat them like the Baathists, the monarchy, or their former colonial masters. At the moment, it appears that most Iraqis are sitting on the fence.
                              Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
                              (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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