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    This is gonna go beyond the 7 MPs accused of prisoner maltreatment:

    Definitely a Cover-up

    Former Abu Ghraib Intel Staffer Says Army Concealed Involvement in Abuse Scandal

    By Brian Ross and Alexandra Salomon

    "There's definitely a cover-up," the witness, Sgt. Samuel Provance, said. "People are either telling themselves or being told to be quiet."

    Provance, 30, was part of the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion stationed at Abu Ghraib last September. He spoke to ABCNEWS despite orders from his commanders not to.

    "What I was surprised at was the silence," said Provance. "The collective silence by so many people that had to be involved, that had to have seen something or heard something."

    Provance, now stationed in Germany, ran the top secret computer network used by military intelligence at the prison.

    He said that while he did not see the actual abuse take place, the interrogators with whom he worked freely admitted they directed the MPs' rough treatment of prisoners.

    "Anything [the MPs] were to do legally or otherwise, they were to take those commands from the interrogators," he said.

    Top military officials have claimed the abuse seen in the photos at Abu Ghraib was limited to a few MPs, but Provance says the sexual humiliation of prisoners began as a technique ordered by the interrogators from military intelligence.

    "One interrogator told me about how commonly the detainees were stripped naked, and in some occasions, wearing women's underwear," Provance said. "If it's your job to strip people naked, yell at them, scream at them, humiliate them, it's not going to be too hard to move from that to another level."

    According to Provance, some of the physical abuse that took place at Abu Ghraib included U.S. soldiers "striking [prisoners] on the neck area somewhere and the person being knocked out. Then [the soldier] would go to the next detainee, who would be very fearful and voicing their fear, and the MP would calm him down and say, 'We're not going to do that. It's OK. Everything's fine,' and then do the exact same thing to him."

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    Where is there dignity unless there is honesty?
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  • #2
    Re: Cover-up

    Originally posted by Geeky Nerd
    This is gonna go beyond the 7 MPs accused of prisoner maltreatment:

    Definitely a Cover-up

    Former Abu Ghraib Intel Staffer Says Army Concealed Involvement in Abuse Scandal

    By Brian Ross and Alexandra Salomon

    "There's definitely a cover-up," the witness, Sgt. Samuel Provance, said. "People are either telling themselves or being told to be quiet."

    Provance, 30, was part of the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion stationed at Abu Ghraib last September. He spoke to ABCNEWS despite orders from his commanders not to.

    "What I was surprised at was the silence," said Provance. "The collective silence by so many people that had to be involved, that had to have seen something or heard something."

    Provance, now stationed in Germany, ran the top secret computer network used by military intelligence at the prison.

    He said that while he did not see the actual abuse take place, the interrogators with whom he worked freely admitted they directed the MPs' rough treatment of prisoners.

    "Anything [the MPs] were to do legally or otherwise, they were to take those commands from the interrogators," he said.

    Top military officials have claimed the abuse seen in the photos at Abu Ghraib was limited to a few MPs, but Provance says the sexual humiliation of prisoners began as a technique ordered by the interrogators from military intelligence.

    "One interrogator told me about how commonly the detainees were stripped naked, and in some occasions, wearing women's underwear," Provance said. "If it's your job to strip people naked, yell at them, scream at them, humiliate them, it's not going to be too hard to move from that to another level."

    According to Provance, some of the physical abuse that took place at Abu Ghraib included U.S. soldiers "striking [prisoners] on the neck area somewhere and the person being knocked out. Then [the soldier] would go to the next detainee, who would be very fearful and voicing their fear, and the MP would calm him down and say, 'We're not going to do that. It's OK. Everything's fine,' and then do the exact same thing to him."

    _______
    Where is there dignity unless there is honesty?
    -Cicero
    Regardless of how accurate his information may be, how ever altruistic his motives were, how much he feels he was pressured to remain quiet, if he defying a direct order not to speek to the media, he is now subject to a court-martial. Since there has apparently been no formal investigation into to events he has alleged, it reasonable for his superiors to issue a "gag order" until an investigation is completed and the true hopefully revealed. By defying his superiors, he has no defense. He deliberately defied a direct order (insubordination), revealed information that he was not to reveal (potentiallly espionage, or at least breach of security, especially considering that he was in charge of the classified computerized file system), making allegations against his fellow intelligence operatives and superiors (at a minimum, conduct unbecoming".

    Yes, Sgt. Provance has stuck his head in the noose and is only waiting for it to pull taut. He will learn the hard way why their is a chain of command. His future may be set for him, long into the future. I hope he likes Leavenworth, Kansas (not that he'll ever see the city.)
    Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
    (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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    • #3
      There is a Article 15-6 underway by the no2 Intell officer in the Army on the conduct of the 205th MI Bde (this idiots parent unit).

      One of the charges perferred against the dweb should 'stupidity above and beyond that of a private'.

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      • #4
        Sometimes doing the right thing has bad consequences and it's up to the person to decide if their conscience is more important than whatever it is they have in the pyhsical world. However, I do frown on the limelight insider who just happens to show up with details and is willing to spill the beans as they' fall on their sword'... last chance opportunism smacks of eye-poking, finger-pointing, I-told-you-sos when the person is just as guilty as those who are 'more to blame'.
        If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chrisvalla
          Sometimes doing the right thing has bad consequences and it's up to the person to decide if their conscience is more important than whatever it is they have in the pyhsical world. However, I do frown on the limelight insider who just happens to show up with details and is willing to spill the beans as they' fall on their sword'... last chance opportunism smacks of eye-poking, finger-pointing, I-told-you-sos when the person is just as guilty as those who are 'more to blame'.
          Yeah, he should soon see the folly of his actions, at least 5 years, if not 10 or 20. In any event, he will have ample time to consider his actions, and if they were worth the penalty.
          Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
          (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hogdriver
            Yeah, he should soon see the folly of his actions, at least 5 years, if not 10 or 20. In any event, he will have ample time to consider his actions, and if they were worth the penalty.
            He could claim it was an illegal order. Not that I agree with thatr, but he could claim it.

            Cheers!


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            • #7
              Originally posted by RichardS
              He could claim it was an illegal order. Not that I agree with thatr, but he could claim it.

              Cheers!


              He could, but he will most likely see such a defense fall on deaf ears at a court-martial. The prosecution will almost certainly asert that it was due to an ongoing investigation, not to hush up any dissent, that they ordered him not to discuss the case. In any event, he is in hot water, and themperature is rising.
              Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
              (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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