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    Modern Japan twists history to play down its war crimes record whilst portraying itself as a victim of war

    As a writer trying to bring more light onto Japan's murky wartime record, do you think the topic is a fair comment? How has Japan managed to avoid culpability whereas Germany has tried so hard to earn forgiveness? Should more be done by countries and individuals to redress historical revisionism by the Japanese?

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    Sadly the record of the Japenesse Government espically in regards to School History Books which gloss over Japenesse war crimes during the period 1933-1945 has been a disgrace. It has also damaged its reputation with other counties in Asia, who well remember the true record of Japenesse occupation during the Second World War. Fortunely they are many younger Japenesse who share this regret over the failure of the previous generation to atone for what really happened.

    Of course all nations have things in the past which have been shameful, such as slavery but we have a duty not to sweep it under the carpet but to express remorse and learn not to repeat them in future.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by TRUECRISTIAN View Post
      Modern Japan twists history to play down its war crimes record whilst portraying itself as a victim of war

      As a writer trying to bring more light onto Japan's murky wartime record, do you think the topic is a fair comment? How has Japan managed to avoid culpability whereas Germany has tried so hard to earn forgiveness? Should more be done by countries and individuals to redress historical revisionism by the Japanese?
      I suggest everyone go and look at his other 7 sterling posts.

      I might add, you misspelled Christian in your name. That image in your profile, sure says a lot about you. None of it good. You might want to try harder at being less easy to dislike.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Paul Maud'dib View Post
        I suggest everyone go and look at his other 7 sterling posts.

        I might add, you misspelled Christian in your name. That image in your profile, sure says a lot about you. None of it good. You might want to try harder at being less easy to dislike.
        I doubt he's from Honduras as well.

        Smarten up please TRUECHRISTIAN, I won't ding you yet to give you a chance.

        Opps I see he wrote in Spanish, my bad.
        Last edited by joea; 19 Nov 07, 15:15. Reason: Made a wrong comment

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        • #5
          A whole 7 posts, and he has THAT many red marks?

          An accomplishment in itself , if you ask me...

          As for Japan; their reputation with other Asian nations has not been very good for a very long time.
          I have been to Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, Korea, the Phillipeans and other places.
          In all of those nations, you can see things that were built by all the Colonial powers but one- Japan. Those guys never built anything, they just took things away.

          And you know... we must have Japanese on the net, but I have never seen a post at any site I have ever been to from that place... what's up with that?

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          • #6
            I am closing this thread now. 1) Japan's history in WWII is well known. 2) Commentary on modern Japan is not germaine to this forum.
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            • #7
              My thoughts on the WWII Japan

              Something told me to press control-c and copy my psot before the thread was locked and rightfully so. Still with the mods indulgence let me post my own thoughts on the different ways WWII responsibility was viewed in Germany and Japan.

              Anyway, my thoughts on the question are these.

              Japan, unlike Germany, is an island. Germany was bombed and conquered in part by those to whom it did the most harm, the USSR and the UK and shared land borders with the others. More difficult to deny what happened. I suspect more Germans saw what happened in terms of Nazi crimes than Japanese. When Japanese soldiers returned home I heard they spoke very little of the war regardless of where they fought, whereas the Japanese population for sure felt the deprivations of the blockade and the horrors of fire and atomic bombing.

              Another reason the Japanese population remained in this state of ignorance was the Cold War. The Cold War was just starting to create cracks in the Allied coalition as the main enemy, the Third Reich, went down to defeat.

              It was pretty clear to those in power as the War in the Pacific wound down. I won't repeat the arguments here about the use of the atomic bomb except the thesis that it was the first shot of the Cold War as well as a means of bringing a swift end to the conflict. While I understand the reasons for Macarthur and the Allied forces keeping the Emperor to rule in order to avoid chaos, it is less clear why some many Japanese war criminals were given a free pass. Some were put on trial, but others (like those involved in the notorious Unit 731) were protected in exchange for their knowledge. So Japan, under the protection of its conquerer (who while playing the main role in defeating it, yet had not suffered the most from Japanese aggression and got off lightly in terms of civilian casualties) was isolated from part of the truth. While I can't really say much about modern Japan, except some of the views that come across in some anime making me raise my eyebrows, I wonder about the different ways WWII was presented in Western and Eastern Germany. I am of the understanding the East Germans considered themselves the "good socialists" and all the guilty fascists and war profiteers went to the West serving the perfidious capitalists. I could be wrong though.

              Just my 2 bucks worth.

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              • #8
                I suspect a lot of it is cultural.

                Look at how the Canadians and Americans dealt with people of Japanese origins, as compared with people of German or Italian origins inside their borders.

                Often they treated their Japanese citizens horribly. Not nearly so bad to be originally from Germany or Italy.

                And we can't really say the SS and their actions are on par with the diehard Bushido supporter. In the case of the SS, I think they were just scum behaving like scum. In the case of the Japanese, they have a long history of thinking Bushido is normal. Thus even a common Japanese soldier wouldn't think it quite as offensive.

                Now I think the Japanese lose marks for what sure can look like indifferent revisionist behaviour. The mainstream Germans sure don't seem in a hurry to forget. They of course have nut case deniers. But everyone sees them as nutcases too.
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                • #9
                  Mates... you are basically continuing a thread that has been closed in this forum... this is generally a no no.

                  You are also talking of Japanese history occuring after WWII... the place for this is not in this forum.

                  However...

                  Thread moved & merged!
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                  • #10
                    Allright in serious discussion, I was at the Okinawan peace museum organized by the Japanese Gov't you wouldn't believe what they admit to there. Yes you get that occasional story but I think poorly of the Germans, both countries managed to do despicable acts Germany on a larger scale but at least most Japanese can come to revere their war veterans. I guess its personal opinion but on the flip side there are those that are a bit too far into the reverance and others that are on the opposite end of the spectrum so its hard to tell, but then again we get that same mix in the US, just less on the anti-veteran side since most are societally odd people to begin with.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Admiral View Post
                      Mates... you are basically continuing a thread that has been closed in this forum... this is generally a no no.

                      You are also talking of Japanese history occuring after WWII... the place for this is not in this forum.

                      However...

                      Thread moved & merged!
                      Admiral, let me say I was writing a post in response to that thread that took me awhile and when I went to post the thread was already locked. If the thread had already been locked I don't think I would have tried to answer it elsewhere.

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                      • #12
                        Joe... understood, anticipated, allowed, & sorted.... Hence:

                        "Thread moved & merged!"

                        No foul - in this particular case - simply general FYI.

                        Last edited by Admiral; 20 Nov 07, 17:47. Reason: Clarity
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                        • #13
                          Modern Japan twists history to play down its war crimes record whilst portraying itself as a victim of war
                          No news here, your point.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BarcelonaBlom View Post
                            Allright in serious discussion, I was at the Okinawan peace museum organized by the Japanese Gov't you wouldn't believe what they admit to there. Yes you get that occasional story but I think poorly of the Germans, both countries managed to do despicable acts Germany on a larger scale but at least most Japanese can come to revere their war veterans. I guess its personal opinion but on the flip side there are those that are a bit too far into the reverance and others that are on the opposite end of the spectrum so its hard to tell, but then again we get that same mix in the US, just less on the anti-veteran side since most are societally odd people to begin with.
                            i sgree that the average japanese family should be allowed to mourn lost loved ones without the world throwing its arms up in mock disbelieve....every country in the world does it, why is japan special? if the excuse is because some war criminals are buried their, then that is a sleight against the legitimate mourners, as i dont agree with labelling them under the title of " honouring the war criminals of japans past " , most are there simply out of respect to those they loved.

                            ..rant finished..!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by galland View Post


                              i sgree that the average japanese family should be allowed to mourn lost loved ones without the world throwing its arms up in mock disbelieve....every country in the world does it, why is japan special? if the excuse is because some war criminals are buried their, then that is a sleight against the legitimate mourners, as i dont agree with labelling them under the title of " honouring the war criminals of japans past " , most are there simply out of respect to those they loved.

                              ..rant finished..!
                              Not even that they don't do it to themselves... if a German family did the same in public the German people would throw its arms up in disbelief... its a tough issue to debate, you pretty much have to apply one end of the spectrum to the whole. If you want to get into it its a case by case basis. Japan is moving to some middle ground. ITs hard to say, I just don't think that in every case its wrong, but people usually assume it is.
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