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  • Hainan Island incident

    Just found out about this, courtesy Norm Koger's webpage:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

    The Hainan Island incident was the April 1, 2001, collision between a United States Navy EP-3E signals reconnaissance aircraft and a People’s Liberation Army Navy J-8IIM fighter jet that resulted in an international incident between the United States and China. The EP-3, assigned to Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron One (VQ-1) had been operating about 70 miles (110 km) away from the Chinese island of Hainan, when the craft was intercepted by two J-8IIM fighters. A collision resulted between the wing of the EP-3 and one of the J-8s, which caused the death of the J-8’s pilot, Wang Wei, while the EP-3 was forced to make an emergency landing on Hainan.

    ...

    The crew of 24 was detained until April 11, shortly after the U.S. issued the “letter of the two sorries” to the Chinese.
    I don't recall hearing much about that at all... I may not have been as "tuned in" to that kind of international event at that time, and maybe got overshadowed by the attacks in the US a few months later.

    Very surprising, though. Has a kind of "Cold War" feel to it.
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    Originally posted by mirrorshades View Post
    Just found out about this, courtesy Norm Koger's webpage:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident



    I don't recall hearing much about that at all... I may not have been as "tuned in" to that kind of international event at that time, and maybe got overshadowed by the attacks in the US a few months later.

    Very surprising, though. Has a kind of "Cold War" feel to it.
    It was big news at the time. I believe that some skullduggery was involved in the incident.
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    • #3
      yeah will it was all over the news and papers you been a hermit mate ? ... ha ha ...
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      • #4
        Originally posted by thomas.tmcc View Post
        yeah will it was all over the news and papers you been a hermit mate ? ... ha ha ...
        Heh... well, it was also 3 months before I got married. So, I had a few other things on my mind....
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        • #5
          It went something like this . . .

          The US plane was hangin' out in international airspace, soaking up the EM waves, not bothering anybody and all of a sudden . . .

          BAM!!!



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          • #6
            It was deja vu all over again, like with USSR during the period of great unpleasantness. I think the message that the Chinese sent was interesting and ominous. I'm unaware of any countermessage--like plane along similar path with interceptor escort.

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            • #7
              Not sure if it's the same incident but didn't the US crew hurriedly sabotage all the equipment just before the Chinese could examine it?
              Common practice I would assume.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Achtung baby View Post
                Not sure if it's the same incident but didn't the US crew hurriedly sabotage all the equipment just before the Chinese could examine it?
                Common practice I would assume.
                Yes. The crew would not disembark until all the sensitive equipment and information were destroy. Standard Protocol.
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                • #9
                  But did they? I remember reports at the time stating that the US crew did not destroy everything on board before they landed...

                  Not sure though, i am going by memory...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by galland View Post
                    But did they? I remember reports at the time stating that the US crew did not destroy everything on board before they landed...

                    Not sure though, i am going by memory...
                    There were plenty of reports to that effect. I wasn't there - I don't know. I was talking with a naval officer several months after the accident. I should have asked him what the rumors were.
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                    • #11
                      Im sure the Chinese newspapers would have twisted the truth on it somewhat, but, im sure i remember some nmews reports running with the linwe that they hadnt destroyed all of the secret documents and electronic equipment...

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                      • #12
                        The equipment was destroyed. Chinese posturing was all it was.

                        What is there to twist? Did the Chinese government really expect anyone to believe the US would allow a very expensive heavy surveillance plane with a crew of 24 to ram a cheap Chinese fighter?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by salinator View Post
                          The equipment was destroyed. Chinese posturing was all it was.

                          What is there to twist? Did the Chinese government really expect anyone to believe the US would allow a very expensive heavy surveillance plane with a crew of 24 to ram a cheap Chinese fighter?
                          Apparrently, yes, that was the story that the communist party told the dead pilots wife, and that is what the party told the state media to print, so they did.....

                          I am agreeing with ya Sal....

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