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  • Hungarian revolution 1956

    In 23rd of October in 1956, university students in Budapest started demonstration to reform communism. A lot of men with different political views (even communists) joined to the street demostration. After few days revolutional chaos Nagy Imre (head of government) declared this demostration as revolution. The revolution mostly concentrated in Budapest, but most of the cities, and villages of Hungary organized revolutional committee.
    In 31st of October the Soviet troops left Budapest. In 1st of November the Hungarian government declared its leaving the Warsaw Pact, and declared neutrality based on the USA and Western countries help, but they left alone Hungary. In the same day Janos Kadar left the Imre Nagy's goverment and Budapest, and declared his new goverment (backed up by Soviets) and called the Soviet intervention.
    4th of November Soviet troops started their operation against the revolution.
    The Hungarian army was mostly disorganized, and biased, but a lot of brave military men, but a lot of student, civil fought against the Soviet troops.
    Budapest held out until 9th of November.
    The change in political system in 1989 declared its origin from this revolution.

    Hungarian losses:
    About 2700 men died (some of them fighting against the revolution), and about 20,000 wounded.
    The 78% of the dead was Budapest citizen, 20% was younger than 20 years old, 28% in the age between 20-29. Soviet military documents claim: 500 Hungarian men/women died at the fight of Corvin-köz (a cross road in Budapest) against the Soviet troops.
    After the revolution 350-500 (shame but we don't know exactly) was sentenced to death being active in the revolution, and 10,000 was put in prison. About 200,000 left the country to the west to save their life.

    Soviet losses:
    640 KIA
    1251 wounded
    67 MIA
    In the Hungarian operation 17 Soviet divisions were paticipated with about 60,000 men.
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  • #2
    It really was a shame, that western countries didn't offer any help...
    “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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    • #3
      Originally posted by laszlo.nemedi
      After the revolution 350-500 (shame but we don't know exactly) was sentenced to death being active in the revolution, and 10,000 was put in prison. About 200,000 left the country to the west to save their life.
      According to "The Black Book of Communism" over 100 000 suffered from acts of revenge; tens of thousands were send to concentration camps (which were "officially" re-established in 12th December 1956), 35 000 impeached, of which 25 000-26 000 were sentenced to prison, and thousands of Hungarians were transferred to USSR by force. 229 rebels were sentenced to death. About 200 000 escaped to the west.
      “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti
        It really was a shame, that western countries didn't offer any help...
        I accept it was a hard time (Suez crisis), and nobody wanted a war against the SU, only pain is the double-talk which gave hope to the Hungarians, but it was declared by USA, Brit, French government: Hungary belongs to the SU.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti
          According to "The Black Book of Communism" over 100 000 suffered from acts of revenge; tens of thousands were send to concentration camps (which were "officially" re-established in 12th December 1956), 35 000 impeached, of which 25 000-26 000 were sentenced to prison, and thousands of Hungarians were transferred to USSR by force. 229 rebels were sentenced to death. About 200 000 escaped to the west.
          The figures seems that I heard. Concentration camps were not the same as the nazi camps, but truly hard to be there.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by laszlo.nemedi
            The figures seems that I heard. Concentration camps were not the same as the nazi camps, but truly hard to be there.
            Yep, they didn't have gas chambers nor systematic killings, but the worst of them were almost on the same level; extremely hard work in absolutely horrible conditions. Such camps exist still in North-Korea.
            “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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            • #7
              Another shamefull moment for my country. I happen to think we should have sent in troops to bolster the oeople in Hungary in there revolution.....

              _Tim
              "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tim McBride
                Another shamefull moment for my country. I happen to think we should have sent in troops to bolster the oeople in Hungary in there revolution.....

                _Tim
                As I read there was a small window in time, when SU thought about Hungary as neutral country, but besides this, it only could cause a world war...
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                • #9
                  It is interesting to note that even here in Denver, CO, USA we have a small park and monument dedicated to the 1956 Hungarian revolution.
                  Our forefathers died to give us freedom, not free stuff.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Siberian HEAT
                    It is interesting to note that even here in Denver, CO, USA we have a small park and monument dedicated to the 1956 Hungarian revolution.
                    Glad to hear that!

                    (or as we know Hungarians everywhere
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                    • #11
                      is October 23 (or another day) a holliday do commemorate the event ? And are there commemorations ?

                      And what does/did the Hungarians think about the West's attitude during these events ?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LaPalice
                        is October 23 (or another day) a holliday do commemorate the event ? And are there commemorations ?

                        And what does/did the Hungarians think about the West's attitude during these events ?

                        LaPalice.
                        Yes, it is national holiday, and there are commemorations.
                        However it is interesting:
                        -there is a lot of people who fought against the revolution (e.g. pufajkasok, one of them is Gyula Horn who was the prime minister 6 years ago), and they have different view on the revolution.
                        -there is a lot of ex-rebel who had a hard life because of their role in the revolution, and most of them are poor old men (they lost their jobs and the pension is low because of it), but most of the Hungarian lived a fair life under Janos Kadar (who was the leader of the soviet backed goverment until 1989), and there is nostalgic feeling back to the good old times (socialism).
                        So most of the Hungarian accept 1956 as revolution, but they don't need the heroes of the revolution, and the enemy of the revolution (Kadar) is in the good memory.
                        We are strange sometimes!

                        About the West attitude:
                        Everybody who consider 1956 as revolution (most of the Hungarians) feels West left us alone. Radio Free Europe was one of most important information source before 1956 (and was payed by USA government as I know), and this radio echoed the west support before and during the revolution.
                        So we can say, that was shame that West doesnot try any diplomatic pressure on SU, but the opposite: one of the USA goverment member said to the Soviet Hungary belongs to SU. That helped the SU made the intervention without any concern on the West attitude.

                        (our history is full of left alone:
                        Europe left us alone with the Turkey in 1500-1600,
                        we were left alone in 1849 in our revolution,
                        we were left alone 1944, when we tried to give up the fight, but to the Brits, but they said we belonged to the Soviets...
                        etc.
                        We are the country "left alone", and we are alone in the German-Slav Central-Eastern Europe , that's our way...
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                        • #13
                          When I was 12 years old, my mother put me and 2 of my brothers into boxing(to try to stop
                          us from fighting at school I guess). Anyway, our boxing coach was a boxer in Hungary
                          during the revolution.

                          He told us a few stories about those times and how he escaped.

                          Fascinating guy !
                          Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tigersqn
                            When I was 12 years old, my mother put me and 2 of my brothers into boxing(to try to stop
                            us from fighting at school I guess). Anyway, our boxing coach was a boxer in Hungary
                            during the revolution.

                            He told us a few stories about those times and how he escaped.

                            Fascinating guy !
                            And was he successful teaching you boxing?
                            Or your opponents were better
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by laszlo.nemedi
                              And was he successful teaching you boxing?
                              Or your opponents were better
                              Northern Ontario champion.

                              My brother made Golden Gloves.

                              Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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