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    If there's a war that the American public ignores. The Korean War would have to be at the top of the list. Why?

  • #2
    Hm... assuming you mean a war that America was involved in.

    I'm far from an expert -- but my guess is that it was a shorter-length conflict, stuck in between the mammoth World War II and Vietnam War. Kind of got lost in the shuffle, as the Cold War was getting rolling too.

    I would argue that either the French & Indian War or the War of 1812 are more "forgettable" by the American populace in general; thanks to M*A*S*H, most folks at least have heard of the Korean War. (Although I wonder how many people think it was set in Vietnam...?)

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    • #3
      I will run off some of the main, prosaic reasons:
      • Overshawdowed by WW2 by following so close behind it. (lots to teir off of that fact particularly in a USA cultural context)
      • It was an unpleasant surprise, it had little comparitive noble-cause buildup prior to out break of hostilities as WW2 had.
      • It ended in stalemate at roughly the same geographical positions from where it started...at great cost of human suffering and treasure.
      • There were numerous significant tactical and strategic errors that many wanted to forget or sweep under the carpet.


      For sure others will chime in an add and expound more.
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      • #4
        What is most crazy is that techinically the korean war never ended! A cease fire is what we have now (or what they have I guess even though we have what 40k US troops there?).

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        • #5
          I think the Mexican War would give it a run for the money, but Korea is always called The Forgotten War, I suspect because it falls into the hole between WW2 and Vietnam.
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          • #6
            The Mexican War and the War of 1812 are up there on the "forgotten" list, but what about the Philippine War 1899-1902? Or the Boxer Rebellion?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Reaper View Post
              The Mexican War and the War of 1812 are up there on the "forgotten" list, but what about the Philippine War 1899-1902? Or the Boxer Rebellion?
              Or the Invasion of Grenada? I tell people that I was in Germany when that went down and all I get is a blank stare. Or Panama? Or the air scuffle with Libya? All of these are pretty much forgotten now.

              The Quasi-War with France? There's one hardly anyone knows about.

              IMHO, Korea gets forgotten because it laid the groundwork for not fighting to win. "Limited war" first got it's usage here and the concept has stuck with us for better or worse.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                Or the Invasion of Grenada? I tell people that I was in Germany when that went down and all I get is a blank stare. Or Panama? Or the air scuffle with Libya? All of these are pretty much forgotten now.

                The Quasi-War with France? There's one hardly anyone knows about.

                IMHO, Korea gets forgotten because it laid the groundwork for not fighting to win. "Limited war" first got it's usage here and the concept has stuck with us for better or worse.
                Well I was thinking older ones (yes I saw the Quasi-War with France in your post). I agree with the not winning. After all, it was 5 years after WWII which had very clear victory with the US clearly on top. The Korean War didn't have that, people only really want a war like WWII because of that clear victory.

                Also, the Barbary Coast War? I would say fewer know about it than the Quasi-War.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bpmoore24 View Post
                  If there's a war that the American public ignores. The Korean War would have to be at the top of the list. Why?
                  I'd say the "Spanish American War".

                  We are actually still paying money for that war, even though it has been paid off many years ago.

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                  • #10
                    Poster's 2-3-7 fall within the accepted viewpoint of mainstream historians...ie. the gap between the two major conflicts of the century involving the US (WW2 and Vietnam). But as i've said elsewhere it aint forgotten by those who were there or subsequently served there after and in particular along the real DMZ.

                    Here's some tidbits for those interested in why this conflict still has a major impact on relations within the region. And of course Clay Blairs work remains indespendsible.

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                    http://americanhistory.about.com/gi/...l/dmz_war.html


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                    http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyphotos/l/blkorea.htm

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis View Post
                      Poster's 2-3-7 fall within the accepted viewpoint of mainstream historians...ie. the gap between the two major conflicts of the century involving the US (WW2 and Vietnam). But as i've said elsewhere it aint forgotten by those who were there or subsequently served there after and in particular along the real DMZ.
                      I think that wonderfully talented poster at #5 said that, too.

                      I agree about the part that it has greater meaning to some folks.

                      My dad, stepdad, and father-in-law were all in the war in the US Navy, US Army, and ROK Army during the war. It certainly has/had great meaning to all of them. Ditto for those who have served there later, a residual of our war there.

                      I also think it's unfortunate that the "memories" most people have about The Korean War have to do with a TV show that I never liked, which actually had very little to do with the war in Korea.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Janos View Post
                        I think that wonderfully talented poster at #5 said that, too.

                        I agree about the part that it has greater meaning to some folks.

                        My dad, stepdad, and father-in-law were all in the war in the US Navy, US Army, and ROK Army during the war. It certainly has/had great meaning to all of them. Ditto for those who have served there later, a residual of our war there.

                        I also think it's unfortunate that the "memories" most people have about The Korean War have to do with a TV show that I never liked, which actually had very little to do with the war in Korea.

                        Whooppppppppppps!!!!

                        U would be correct and my eyes are to blame i skipped right past; hell there all good posts.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis View Post
                          U would be correct and my eyes are to blame i skipped right past; hell there all good posts.

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                          Thanks CV...and you are right that there are a lot of good posts.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Janos View Post
                            I also think it's unfortunate that the "memories" most people have about The Korean War have to do with a TV show that I never liked, which actually had very little to do with the war in Korea.
                            Never cared for it much myself. One observation I made since my wife likes it: notice the U.S. uniforms worn by the cast members. the original members wore authentic 1950's fatigues and brown boots and wore them till the end of the show. As time went on, the newer cast members wore whatever was in use at the time, from herringbone USMC unilities to 1970's OG 107 fatigues, all with black boots in the early 1950's

                            No, she dosent like watching TV or films set in a historical context with me, why do you ask?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SGT Long View Post
                              Never cared for it much myself. One observation I made since my wife likes it: notice the U.S. uniforms worn by the cast members. the original members wore authentic 1950's fatigues and brown boots and wore them till the end of the show. As time went on, the newer cast members wore whatever was in use at the time, from herringbone USMC unilities to 1970's OG 107 fatigues, all with black boots in the early 1950's

                              No, she dosent like watching TV or films set in a historical context with me, why do you ask?
                              That show was openly anti-Vietnam, but they used the Korean war as a backdrop. My wife gets upset whenever she sees it (as we flip through the channels -- "we don't live in grass houses!"
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