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    I’ve been interested in American Civil War since the first time I watch “Glory” although later I found there are many historical inaccuracy in the movie. And then “Gods and Generals” and then came “Gettysburg”, the massive 4-hour-long movie.
    I didn’t know how American feel about Civil War, here in my country, we never had such massive civil war like this one, though a list of rebellions were in our previous history years after our independence in 1945.

    The American Civil War is so interesting, because this is the only war I know that occurred not because of territories or land or gold, but war for something that each side believed in. Beside the cause of the war, I also admired the massive mobilization of the people, how large and massive the war was …


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    Land was part of the cause. The question was the land of new states joining the Union as Slave or Free States.
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sultan Hamuddin View Post
      The American Civil War is so interesting, because this is the only war I know that occurred not because of territories or land or gold, but war for something that each side believed in.
      Sultan Hamuddin,
      First of all: a warm welcome to the forums.
      Secundo: religious war were/are per definition fought for something that each side believed in
      BoRG

      You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in You - Leon Trotski, June 1919.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sultan Hamuddin View Post
        I’ve been interested in American Civil War since the first time I watch “Glory” although later I found there are many historical inaccuracy in the movie. And then “Gods and Generals” and then came “Gettysburg”, the massive 4-hour-long movie.
        I didn’t know how American feel about Civil War, here in my country, we never had such massive civil war like this one, though a list of rebellions were in our previous history years after our independence in 1945.

        The American Civil War is so interesting, because this is the only war I know that occurred not because of territories or land or gold, but war for something that each side believed in. Beside the cause of the war, I also admired the massive mobilization of the people, how large and massive the war was …

        A very warm welcome to you! Thanks for your interest in the war....please feel free to ask questions on anything you need clarification on or you just don't understand. There are some amazing folks who visit this forum that can answer just about anything you ask.
        The muffled drums sad roll has beat the soldier's last tatoo. No more on life's parade shall meet that brave and fallen few.

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        • #5
          For me it seemed like a sad yet necessary evil. There was going to be a war between the states and, as horrible as it was, it actually united the country in a way diplomacy never could.
          Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

          That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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          • #6
            ...to paraphrase John Brown, the original sin of slavery was not going to be resolved without bloodshed.

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            • #7
              I too am interested at the large amount of interest in the American Civil War from foreigners.
              "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat."
              --Marshal Józef Piłsudski

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              • #8
                Personally I see a lot of overlap between the establishment of the Confederacy and that of Germany in 1941. Both were IMHO arrogant, racist (naturally) and full of contempt for their enemies, underestimating them on a criminal scale. While there are plenty of arrogant and contemptuous non-racists, there seem to be few racists who had neither of the other traits.
                It is also interesting to note that for all the military disadvantages the Confederacy had, they hung out for so long, again showing what difference superior military leadership can do, but as the ultimate outcome shows, also showing that its magic can only work for so long.
                I am glad that the Civil War finally eradicated the evil of slavery from the United States, though it is a pity it took another hundred years to expunge it from the hearts of many people.
                As a German, I am frightfully aware to the road of racism's final destination
                Reaction to the 2016 Munich shootings:
                Europe: "We are shocked and support you in these harsh times, we stand by you."
                USA: "We will check people from Germany extra-hard and it is your own damn fault for being so stupid."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Acheron View Post
                  Personally I see a lot of overlap between the establishment of the Confederacy and that of Germany in 1941.
                  I don't know how that's really possible, other than vaguely connecting them via racism - even though racism existed in the Union as well(and even among the Allies of WWII for that matter).
                  "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat."
                  --Marshal Józef Piłsudski

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pilsudski View Post
                    I don't know how that's really possible, other than vaguely connecting them via racism - even though racism existed in the Union as well(and even among the Allies of WWII for that matter).
                    Very true!
                    The muffled drums sad roll has beat the soldier's last tatoo. No more on life's parade shall meet that brave and fallen few.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Acheron View Post
                      Personally I see a lot of overlap between the establishment of the Confederacy and that of Germany in 1941. Both were IMHO arrogant, racist (naturally) and full of contempt for their enemies, underestimating them on a criminal scale. While there are plenty of arrogant and contemptuous non-racists, there seem to be few racists who had neither of the other traits.
                      It is also interesting to note that for all the military disadvantages the Confederacy had, they hung out for so long, again showing what difference superior military leadership can do, but as the ultimate outcome shows, also showing that its magic can only work for so long.
                      I am glad that the Civil War finally eradicated the evil of slavery from the United States, though it is a pity it took another hundred years to expunge it from the hearts of many people.
                      As a German, I am frightfully aware to the road of racism's final destination
                      There are a lot of interesting German commanders & troops who fought in the Civil War. Some good, some not so good.
                      The muffled drums sad roll has beat the soldier's last tatoo. No more on life's parade shall meet that brave and fallen few.

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                      • #12
                        I know many here are critical of him, but there's also the issue Thomas DiLorenzo brings up about Hitler admiring Lincoln.

                        Consider: Harry Jaffa, the dean of what DiLorenzo calls the "Lincoln cultists," has more than once compared the Southern cause to that of Nazi Germany. DiLorenzo embarrasses Jaffa in this book by pointing out passages in Hitler’s Mein Kampf in which the German leader expressed both his support for Lincoln’s war and his unwavering opposition to the cause of states’ rights and political decentralization (which, as a dictator seeking absolute power, he naturally sought to overturn in Germany). Hitler even adopted Lincoln’s fanciful retelling of American history in which the states were creatures of the Union rather than vice versa.

                        In Germany, Hitler promised that the Nazis "would totally eliminate states’ rights altogether: Since for us the state as such is only a form, but the essential is its content, the nation, the people, it is clear that everything else must be subordinated to its sovereign interests. In particular we cannot grant to any individual state within the nation and the state representing it state sovereignty and sovereignty in point of political power." Thus the "mischief of individual federated states…must cease and will some day cease…. National Socialism as a matter of principle must lay claim to the right to force its principles on the whole German nation without consideration of previous federated state boundaries." Which side was the Nazi one again, Professor Jaffa?

                        http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods58.html
                        Last edited by Pilsudski; 11 May 10, 13:34.
                        "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat."
                        --Marshal Józef Piłsudski

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sultan Hamuddin View Post
                          I’ve been interested in American Civil War since the first time I watch “Glory” although later I found there are many historical inaccuracy in the movie. And then “Gods and Generals” and then came “Gettysburg”, the massive 4-hour-long movie.
                          I didn’t know how American feel about Civil War, here in my country, we never had such massive civil war like this one, though a list of rebellions were in our previous history years after our independence in 1945.

                          The American Civil War is so interesting, because this is the only war I know that occurred not because of territories or land or gold, but war for something that each side believed in. Beside the cause of the war, I also admired the massive mobilization of the people, how large and massive the war was …

                          Welcome to you, newcomer. One of the other ironies of the war was that there were people stuck on the other side of the fence who agreed with the opposition. For instance, the people of Upper East Tennessee, northern Alabama who were strongly pro-North, while certain parts of Kentucky, Missouri and Maryland were pro-South. Then, there were the Copperheads, who believed that the war was worth fighting if slavery was not an issue - once the Emancipation Proclamation was signed, they objected strongly.
                          I come here to discuss a piece of business with you and what are you gonna do? You're gonna tell me fairy tales? James Caan in the movie "Thief" ca 1981

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                          • #14
                            I guess I find civil wars interesting in general (I'm also into Japan's Sengoku and Britain's war). They are about ideology and political direction so different than (in many cases) in the long run pointless land grabs. (Of course there are also religious/ideological wars, but they are about imposing on others.)

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                            • #15
                              I agree, I also tend to find civil wars among the most interesting wars to study.
                              "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat."
                              --Marshal Józef Piłsudski

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