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    Hi folks,

    John Brown invaded Virginia in 1859 to cause a slave insurrection and throw the country into war. He was just a little ahead of his time. I have pretty strong feelings about him -- after all, he brought a criminal gang from Kansas, invaded my home state, killed several people in an attempt to kill many more, and was (fortunately) captured and executed by legal means by better men than himself (guys like R E Lee).

    Of course, I may be partial.

    What are your opnions on Ossawatomie John?

    JS
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    Re: John Brown

    Originally posted by Janos
    Hi folks,

    John Brown invaded Virginia in 1859 to cause a slave insurrection and throw the country into war. He was just a little ahead of his time. I have pretty strong feelings about him -- after all, he brought a criminal gang from Kansas, invaded my home state, killed several people in an attempt to kill many more, and was (fortunately) captured and executed by legal means by better men than himself (guys like R E Lee).

    Of course, I may be partial.

    What are your opnions on Ossawatomie John?

    JS
    He was a visionary who should be canonized by the North. Since the South would not give up their slaves by peaceful means then it had to be forced on them and if Southerners had to die then so be it…….


    No just playing with you. He was a fanatic, and like so many saw only his beliefs as right. In modern times he would be relaxing in a nice room with soft walls somewhere, talking to people that want to take over the world. (Not you Dr S. since you will take over the world)
    :crazy:
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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    • #3
      Re: Re: John Brown

      Originally posted by tsar
      He was a fanatic, and like so many saw only his beliefs as right in modern times he would be relaxing in a nice room with soft walls somewhere, talking to people that want to take over the world.
      It's also odd that the first guy he killed was a slave who was just in the street.
      JS
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      • #4
        Sacrifices had to be made for the greater good. Or John Brown was just a nut case who did not need a reason.:crazy:
        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tsar
          Sacrifices had to be made for the greater good. Or John Brown was just a nut case who did not need a reason.:crazy:
          I vote for the latter.
          JS
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Janos
            I vote for the latter.
            JS
            John Brown was a fanatic. He was brought to that point because of his devout religious convictions, and even then somehow used that devout belief as an excuse for murdering people.

            I like what he believed in, but do not think that creating a murderous slave rebellion was the best way to go about it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tom DeFranco
              I like what he believed in, but do not think that creating a murderous slave rebellion was the best way to go about it.
              I'll vote for that, too.
              JS
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              • #8
                If he were around today he'd be recruiting suicide bombers.
                Lance W.

                Peace through superior firepower.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lance Williams
                  If he were around today he'd be recruiting suicide bombers.
                  ...yep, or mailing anthrax-filled letters.

                  How widespread was support for him in the North? My impression is that the Abolitionists had power disproportionate to their numbers, and that they supported him financially and generously.

                  JS
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Janos
                    ...yep, or mailing anthrax-filled letters.

                    How widespread was support for him in the North? My impression is that the Abolitionists had power disproportionate to their numbers, and that they supported him financially and generously.

                    JS
                    I don't doubt that Brown had supporters in his movement and I don't doubt that some of that support was financial in nature, but I don't think it was that widespread. The biggest abolition population was in New England and as an adult Brown spent most of his life in Ohio and Kansas. I also don't think he told anybody about what he'd be doing at Harper's Ferry, except for his wife and daughters.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tom DeFranco
                      I don't doubt that Brown had supporters in his movement and I don't doubt that some of that support was financial in nature, but I don't think it was that widespread. The biggest abolition population was in New England and as an adult Brown spent most of his life in Ohio and Kansas. I also don't think he told anybody about what he'd be doing at Harper's Ferry, except for his wife and daughters.
                      ...and his sons...he took a few of them with him.

                      Thanks, Tom. Good info.

                      JS
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                      • #12
                        The man was a criminal, plain and simple. The fact that some of our history books forget to mention that fact and make him out to be a great hero, a liberator of slaves, makes me sick.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GeorgiaDixie
                          The man was a criminal, plain and simple. The fact that some of our history books forget to mention that fact and make him out to be a great hero, a liberator of slaves, makes me sick.
                          What history book paints Brown as a hero? We always learned that even though his cause (anti-slavery) was good, his methods of advancing that cause were morally bankrupt.
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                          • #14
                            John Brown

                            I really wanted to stay away from the Civil War area on this fourm because I feel many Americans are looking at the Civil War South with some reverance. Scary.

                            John Brown was crazy, but he knew slavery was wrong and a black eye on America. His motives were wrong, but he brought to light the horror of a evil system.......slavery.

                            Too bad this incident didn't get the nation thinking, discussing and ending the issue of slavery. It would take a war to free the slaves and end an evil system of human destruction.

                            BigMik1
                            "Cry Havoc!! and let slip the dogs of war!!!"
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                            • #15
                              Re: John Brown

                              Originally posted by BigMik1
                              I really wanted to stay away from the Civil War area on this fourm because I feel many Americans are looking at the Civil War South with some reverance. Scary.
                              So if I have pride in my ancestor's service in the Confederate Army, it scares you?
                              John Brown was crazy, but he knew slavery was wrong and a black eye on America. His motives were wrong, but he brought to light the horror of a evil system.......slavery.

                              Too bad this incident didn't get the nation thinking, discussing and ending the issue of slavery. It would take a war to free the slaves and end an evil system of human destruction.

                              BigMik1
                              Slavery was already dying, and you are right that it would take a war...or 50 years.

                              JS
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