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    Were there a large number of observers representing European military powers during the Civil War? I know that there were some and understand one to have been a Count Von Zeppelin for whom the famous airship was named.
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    I dont know if he came to North America, but Von Moltke is susposed to have decribed the American war as 'two armed mobs chasing each other around a wilderness'.

    Cant recall if it was Sheridan or Sherman who played tourist as a German guest in the Franco Prussian war.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
      I dont know if he came to North America, but Von Moltke is susposed to have decribed the American war as 'two armed mobs chasing each other around a wilderness'.

      Cant recall if it was Sheridan or Sherman who played tourist as a German guest in the Franco Prussian war.
      It was Sheridan.
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      • #4
        McClellan observed the Crimean War.
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        • #5
          Brit. Fremantle is probably the most well known, no?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Fireball View Post
            Were there a large number of observers representing European military powers during the Civil War? I know that there were some and understand one to have been a Count Von Zeppelin for whom the famous airship was named.
            At Gettysburg alone, there was Lt. Col. Fremantle (British, Coldstream Guards), and at least one Prussian and an Austrian.
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            • #7
              Cpt. Justus Scheibert of the Prussian Army was at Gettysburg and one of the many things he observed was the admiration that Lee got from his troops:

              "So extraordinary that the weary troops received the old general with enthusiastic cheers despite the retreat...Sincere calls such as 'Old Lee is still alive! Now all is well!' Expressed the sentiments of the men."

              You can find the above from Gallagher's Lee and his Army in Confederate History.

              The book also mentions Lt. Col. Arthur James Lyon Fremantle.

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              • #8
                A Lt. Ross of the Austrian Hussars observed with Scheibert and Fremantle as well during Lee's Gettysburg campaign.

                EDIT: He's the Austrian that someone mentioned.

                PS: In real life, Fremantle's attire at Gettysburg was simply civilian, unlike his glamourous portrayal in the film, "Gettysburg." He was also suffering from a head cold at the time.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
                  Cant recall if it was Sheridan or Sherman who played tourist as a German guest in the Franco Prussian war.
                  Sheridan's account of the Franco-Prussian War.

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                  • #10
                    There was a Captain Lewis Guy Phillips of HM's Grenadier Guards with the Confederate army at Fredericksburg. He gave John Pelham a regimental necktie, which the young artillerist wore as a bandana during his famous bombardment of the Union flank on the first day of the battle. Pelham returned the necktie to Phillips after the battle.

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                    • #11
                      It would seem the Prussians benefitted most from their observations. I recall reading that what they learned and patterned from the Union's use of railroads was put to good use against the French just a few years later.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by D1J1 View Post
                        It would seem the Prussians benefitted most from their observations. I recall reading that what they learned and patterned from the Union's use of railroads was put to good use against the French just a few years later.
                        Actually the Prussians were ahead of the game in the use of railways for military purposes.

                        As early as 1842 a scheme was put forward for the construction of a network of strategical railways which would allow for military operations to be carried out simultaneously against France and Russia, should the situation arise.
                        Even in 1843 the French were concerned to find that the German Confederation was already converging a system of 11 railway lines up to the frontiers of France between Metz and Strassburg, leaving the French with little doubt as to their true purpose.

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                        • #13
                          After this time frame, but the early 1900 a couple of Prussian officers from the German General Staff travel with Barnum and Bailey's cirucs for a full tour to study their methodolgies for rapid redeployment and movement.
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                          • #14
                            Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin observed the Union Balloon Corps, studying their methods and the "aircraft" themsleves. That's more or less why there were Zeppelins in WW1.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hufflepuff44 View Post
                              A Lt. Ross of the Austrian Hussars observed with Scheibert and Fremantle as well during Lee's Gettysburg campaign.

                              EDIT: He's the Austrian that someone mentioned.

                              PS: In real life, Fremantle's attire at Gettysburg was simply civilian, unlike his glamourous portrayal in the film, "Gettysburg." He was also suffering from a head cold at the time.
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