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    I'm trying to make sure I have all the US ships (sloop and up) localized in the event of a Trent War. I'm also curious what the blockading stations (Gulf, Port Royal) and other stations (Pacific) would do in the event of war - e.g. would the Hampton Roads blockading force retreat up into the Chesapeake?


    Here's what I have - locations all as of declaration of war or news arriving in Washington of DoW. Here I'm using an 8/9 Jan DoW and the news arriving via telegraph from Halifax on 21 Jan.




    Ships of the Line

    USS Vermont: Boston

    All others no longer workable vessels


    Frigates

    Steam

    USS Mississippi: Gulf (far to the east, away from Dunlop)

    USS Susquehanna: Port Royal squadron

    USS Powhatan: hunting down Confederate commerce raiders?

    USS Wabash: Port Royal

    USS Roanoke: Hampton Roads

    USS Colorado: Gulf

    USS Minnesota: Hampton Roads

    USS Niagara: Gulf

    Sail

    USS Brandywine: Hampton Roads, storeship

    USS Congress: Hampton Roads

    USS Constitution: unavailable (towed out of the way of Confederate capture)

    USS Independence: Pacific, recieving ship

    USS John Adams: training ship, theoretically available (Newport RI)

    USS Potomac: Storeship, Mobile Bay (thus captured or burned)

    USS Sabine: Atlantic blockading squadron, somewhere (Port Royal?)

    USS Santee: Gulf

    USS St Lawrence: Port Royal


    Sloops

    Steam

    USS Saranac: Pacific

    USS Wyoming: Pacific

    USS Tuscaroa: Southampton (captured)

    USS Dacotah: Not in commission as of PoD (New York)

    USS Seminole: Port Royal

    USS Narragansett: Pacific

    USS Saginaw: Hong Kong (captured)

    USS Pocahontas: Port Royal

    USS Brooklyn: Gulf

    USS Hartford: Not out of Chesapeake (thus Farragut is not commander of the Gulf)

    USS Richmond: repairs, NY Naval Yard

    USS Lancaster: Pacific

    USS Pensacola: sailing south for the Gulf (runs into Dunlop?)

    USS Kearsarge: about to commission in Maine

    USS Mohican: Port Royal

    USS Iroquois: patrolling the Caribbean

    USS Oneida: commission 28 Feb in NY

    USS Wachusett: commission 3 Mar in Boston

    USS Canadaigua: launch 28 Mar in Boston

    USS Housatonic: commission 29 Aug in Boston

    USS Juniata: launch 20 Mar in Boston

    USS Adirondack:: commission 30 June in NY




    Sail

    USS Constellation: Mediterranean

    USS Cyane: Pacific

    USS Dale: Port Royal store/guardship

    USS Decateur: Ordinary, Mare Island

    USS Falmouth: Colon, storeship

    USS Granite: just acquired (where?)

    USS Jamestown: Port Royal

    USS Marion: Gulf

    USS Portsmouth: Gulf

    USS Saratoga: Delaware

    USS St. Louis: Philadelphia Navy Yard

    USS St Mary’s: Pacific

    USS Vincennes: Gulf

    USS Warren: stores ship



    Ironclads:

    USS Monitor: building in NY

    USS New Ironsides: building in Philadelphia

    USS Galena: building in Mystic CT







    Any I got wrong?



    And the stations which need to be looked at:

    1: What do all the Pacific ships do when the news comes in?
    2: What would the Gulf blockading squadron do?
    3: What would the Port Royal squadron do?
    4: What would the Hampton Roads squadron do in the event of the British arriving off the Chesapeake? (AFAICT Farragut will be there!)
    5: Would any of the ships to the north or south become commerce raiders?
    6: How would these various stations be informed of the war, and when would they find out?

    As an aside, this really emphasizes the paucity of the USN at this point - there were a lot of ships lost at Norfolk.
    There's:
    1 sailing SOL
    8 screw or paddle frigates
    5 sailing frigates able to fight
    15 screw or paddle sloops able to fight
    10 sail sloops able to fight
    3 ironclads building

    And everything else is basically gunboats.
    Last edited by Saphroneth; 23 May 16, 03:56.

  • #2
    You may also want to look at the coastal fortifications as well
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
      You may also want to look at the coastal fortifications as well
      We have done. A long series of blog posts awaiting only Ft Washington and the Baltimore defences have been posted, starting with the Delaware:

      http://67thtigers.blogspot.be/2016/0...-delaware.html
      "[T]he worst that could be said of the Peninsula campaign was that thus far it had not been successful. To make it a failure was reserved for the agency of General Halleck." -Emory Upton

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      • #4
        The Naval Records of the War of the Rebellion* would be useful.



        *Title from memory.
        Hyperwar: World War II on the World Wide Web
        Hyperwar, Whats New
        World War II Resources
        The best place in the world to "work".

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        • #5
          Yes, 67th is correct - I have the coastal forts pretty much ready to go. The main question is about the movable units - disregarding anything smaller than a sloop, of course.

          As an aside, Fort Monroe is kind of screwed.
          https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...asonry&f=false

          shows the 110-lber Armstrong able to put shell well over three feet through a masonry wall at bombardment range, which is ruinous - shot would go straight through the walls of a masonry fort like Fort Monroe, which were built for the days of 32-lber smoothbores. And, worse, there's a ready made base (ft. Calhoun) to emplace 110-lbers on.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Saphroneth View Post
            Yes, 67th is correct - I have the coastal forts pretty much ready to go. The main question is about the movable units - disregarding anything smaller than a sloop, of course.

            As an aside, Fort Monroe is kind of screwed.
            https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...asonry&f=false

            shows the 110-lber Armstrong able to put shell well over three feet through a masonry wall at bombardment range, which is ruinous - shot would go straight through the walls of a masonry fort like Fort Monroe, which were built for the days of 32-lber smoothbores. And, worse, there's a ready made base (ft. Calhoun) to emplace 110-lbers on.
            Familiar with that area. Never heard of a Fort Calhoun how ever there is a FT Wool opposite side of the channel from Ft Monroe.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
              Familiar with that area. Never heard of a Fort Calhoun how ever there is a FT Wool opposite side of the channel from Ft Monroe.
              Fort Calhoun wasn't renamed to Fort Wool until after Trent - same thing.
              ED: it was considered a bit off to have a fortification named after Calhoun in the Union!
              Last edited by Saphroneth; 23 May 16, 08:43.

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              • #8
                My current assumption is:

                Gulf squadron caught largely by surprise by Dunlop
                Hampton Roads sqn falls back up to the Potomac, then sallies once as a raid as Ft Monroe is bombarded
                Port Royal sqn is ordered north to NY to defend the naval yards in conjunction with the forts

                What I'm not sure of is if Farragut (Hampton Roads sqn) would head up to NY as well after his sally.
                Last edited by Saphroneth; 23 May 16, 10:28.

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                • #9
                  Oh, something I put together earlier today:



                  The Mohican sails into Bermuda, intending to raid this important Royal Navy supply node. She is armed with 2 11” pivots and four other guns, which her captain considers quite adequate to deal with any ship smaller than herself.
                  She steams towards the hulks making up much of the base infrastructure, and as she does the guardship steams towards her.
                  Unfortunately for the Mohican, her captain makes a similar error to the one made by her fellow sloop the Dacotah. The guardship is a little smaller than she is, and carries more gun ports - and the judgement made by the Mohican’s captain (Sylvanus Gordon) is that this is a sloop similar to herself. As such, he fires a shot across her bows with a 32-lber - then opens fire with both his 11” Dahlgren pivots.
                  The cheer which goes up from Mohican’s crew is abruptly cut off when the shells shatter on impact with 4” thick rolled iron plate.
                  In reply, the guardship - HMS Terror - presents her port broadside and opens fire. Eight 68-lber shells shoot across the intervening space, smashing into the timber sides of the Mohican and detonating inside as their percussion fuzes trigger.
                  The battle goes on another five or ten minutes, but the outcome was never really in doubt - while Terror suffers some two dozen casualties due to projectile spall when Mohican belatedly begins using shot, the Mohican is quickly left a blazing wreck and her captain strikes.
                  A few minutes later, the Mohican explodes as the flames reach her powder store. Some of the flaming debris hits Terror, which is forced to cut away some of her rigging.




                  (The event with the Dacotah actually happened - the 1,844 ton masted ironclad HMS Terror flying the Royal Navy ensign was mistaken for the 473-ton bark-rigged steamer CSS Sumter, firing a shot across her bows. Mistaking Terror for an ~800-ton Royal Navy sloop is a comparatively minor difference!)

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