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  • "Are mainstream Civil War magazines racist?"

    by Richard G. Williams-

    No, they're not. The question is, of course, a rhetorical one. I subscribe to several popular Civil War publications and enjoy all of them very much.
    However, if you agree with the "logic" of some folks, one might be able to at least make the accusation. Allow me to explain....

    http://oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com/...magazines.html
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    "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

  • #2
    Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
    by Richard G. Williams-

    No, they're not. The question is, of course, a rhetorical one. I subscribe to several popular Civil War publications and enjoy all of them very much.
    However, if you agree with the "logic" of some folks, one might be able to at least make the accusation. Allow me to explain....

    http://oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com/...magazines.html
    I guess it depends on what you mean by mainstream and what type of articles the magazine publishes.
    Conservatives in the U.S. won't be happy until Jim Crow returns and "White Heterosexual Only" signs are legalized.

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    • #3
      Never seen one so no comment. They've got civil war magazines???

      Sigh. Just how many articles can they sell on a war a couple centuries ago? And make a profit???

      Jeez talk about a lost cause...
      Credo quia absurdum.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
        Never seen one so no comment. They've got civil war magazines???

        Sigh. Just how many articles can they sell on a war a couple centuries ago? And make a profit???

        Jeez talk about a lost cause...
        I've glanced over a couple while killing time in B&N. They're sadder than you think.

        The ones I saw certainly were pro-CSA, which certainly would qualify them as racist.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          For Lord's Sake!

          An article dealing with the career and life of Robert E. Lee is neither pro nor anti anything.

          Its just history.

          similarly, a piece containing the sentiments expressed by contemporaries doesn't need a 'disclaimer' telling us that..."the opinions and views expressed by historical personages in this essay in no wau represent the view or sentiments of the author, publisher or their sponsors."

          When you write history, this should be understood from the beginning.

          When you begin to write "alternative" history, rather than simply trying to tell it like it (hopefullly) was, then you may cross over into the realms of speculation, and that could lead to conclusions base on sentiments that are inappropriate.

          Otherwise, its just history. History with no AGENDA is history worth reading.

          There is still plenty to argue about with ACW.

          Only closed minds think that history remains STATIC. Our interpretation is changing all the time. New evidence or a new perspective changes history as well.

          Its NOT static.

          Certain posters who believe this about any historical period, let alone the american civil war are fooling themselves.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
            For Lord's Sake!

            An article dealing with the career and life of Robert E. Lee is neither pro nor anti anything.

            Its just history.

            similarly, a piece containing the sentiments expressed by contemporaries doesn't need a 'disclaimer' telling us that..."the opinions and views expressed by historical personages in this essay in no wau represent the view or sentiments of the author, publisher or their sponsors."

            When you write history, this should be understood from the beginning.

            When you begin to write "alternative" history, rather than simply trying to tell it like it (hopefullly) was, then you may cross over into the realms of speculation, and that could lead to conclusions base on sentiments that are inappropriate.

            Otherwise, its just history. History with no AGENDA is history worth reading.

            There is still plenty to argue about with ACW.

            Only closed minds think that history remains STATIC. Our interpretation is changing all the time. New evidence or a new perspective changes history as well.

            Its NOT static.

            Certain posters who believe this about any historical period, let alone the american civil war are fooling themselves.
            Very well said.
            It is a shame the rest of the world does not have this viewpoint on the ACW or most other things for that matter. Everyone wants to be offended by something.
            Is she crying? There's no crying in baseball.

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            • #7
              Not everybody in the South wanted to keep those, "D*mn*d N*gg*rs," in their place, and not everybody in the North was a high-minded abolitionist.

              The reasons for the war were many and complex, it's just that many can relate to the North's purported anti-slavery stance, and that's what gets all the attention.

              You'll probably find racists writing for, or reading, the magazines (yes, a few are bright enough to do both, as long as they don't try to chew gum at the same time) because they crop up everywhere, but support for the Southern cause isn't a guarantee of a racist attitude.
              Indyref2 - still, "Yes."

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              • #8
                So let's get this straight. It seems as long as the "blogger" shouts out what you want to hear, then it is fine? When we reference several of the different Civil War bloggers, we get hate for it (including Kevin's fine blog that has been going for over ten years), but then Richard gets a pass? Right. Richard has a right to his opinion & I'll leave it at that. Richard certainly takes several things out of context & misinterprets other parts of the post. Looking at his site, I can see several things that stand out as alarms for me and I will leave it at that.

                I'll maintain what I have said on this site since I first joined in 2004-the Confederate flag should be flown in museums, at battle sites, on Confederate graves, & on private property. It should not be flown over state or Federal capitols in any capacity. It is history & needs to be addressed as such, but it has most certainly been used for nefarious purposes since its adoption. Some of those committing the nefarious purposes were the men who carried it in the first place-others are from hate groups or have modern agendas. If they want to put that stuff in magazines, I personally could care less. What you spend your hard earned money on is not my business-unless it is something like child porn where an innocent is suffering to get that product sold.

                I have Confederate flags in many of the books I buy, because they are historical. I have several paintings on the wall that include Confederate flags. I have a Civil War display case that contains Union & Confederate flags. History has to be shown-the good and the bad. We have to remember our mistakes as well as our triumphs. I would not stick a Confederate flag on my car & drive around the city, nor would I wave one around in other people's faces.....it is disrespectful & outright racist coming from many folks (and I have several here in my apartment complex who do just that & are not afraid to broadcast it). I had Confederate ancestors. That is a fact. The fought & died for the Confederacy. I can honor their memory & bravery while honestly stating that politically the Confederacy was wrong.
                The muffled drums sad roll has beat the soldier's last tatoo. No more on life's parade shall meet that brave and fallen few.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                  Never seen one so no comment. They've got civil war magazines???

                  Sigh. Just how many articles can they sell on a war a couple centuries ago? And make a profit???

                  Jeez talk about a lost cause...
                  Wow, way to know about the site you're posting on.

                  http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=265

                  http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=262

                  This site is allied to two ACW magazines and has been for years.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
                    Wow, way to know about the site you're posting on.

                    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=265

                    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...play.php?f=262

                    This site is allied to two ACW magazines and has been for years.
                    I suspect he was being sarcastic
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                      I suspect he was being sarcastic
                      Yep. Yeah well I've got little interest in the ACW. It's been done to death and there's more interesting conflicts to study. Also I find the fanaticism that comes from the south to be distasteful.
                      Credo quia absurdum.


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                      • #12
                        Just so tired of history now being tainted with this bogus politically correct discussion.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Charger View Post
                          Just so tired of history now being tainted with this bogus politically correct discussion.
                          Such as?
                          Conservatives in the U.S. won't be happy until Jim Crow returns and "White Heterosexual Only" signs are legalized.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Charger View Post
                            Just so tired of history now being tainted with this bogus politically correct discussion.
                            There's no real way to twist the CSA into anything but an enemy to the Union and a proponent of slavery.

                            The CSA got a pass for generations, but that time has ended and a more balanced viewpoint is being seen.

                            For example Robert Lee was a brilliant general, but he was also a traitor who strove mightily to kill US soldiers, and whatever claims can be made about his personal beliefs cannot over-ride the fact that he fought very hard and very well for a government that embraced the viewpoint that certain Human beings are no more than property.

                            I hate PC BS as much as anyone, but this issue has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with history.

                            Ordinary Germans could claim ignorance of the Final Solution, but every Southerner knew that slavery was part of the cause they were fighting for. Especially after the Emancipation Proclamation.
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                              There's no real way to twist the CSA into anything but an enemy to the Union and a proponent of slavery.

                              The CSA got a pass for generations, but that time has ended and a more balanced viewpoint is being seen.

                              For example Robert Lee was a brilliant general, but he was also a traitor who strove mightily to kill US soldiers, and whatever claims can be made about his personal beliefs cannot over-ride the fact that he fought very hard and very well for a government that embraced the viewpoint that certain Human beings are no more than property.

                              I hate PC BS as much as anyone, but this issue has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with history.

                              Ordinary Germans could claim ignorance of the Final Solution, but every Southerner knew that slavery was part of the cause they were fighting for. Especially after the Emancipation Proclamation.
                              If Lee was a traitor, he was a loyalist in other ways,; to his family, his state.

                              Had the Viginia Sucession convention not been so swayed by the evangelistic rhetoric of the otherwise useless alexander Stephenson, Lee might well have been commanding the Union Army.

                              As historians, WE are meant to be impartial, and simply tell it like it was, not as we see it subjectively.

                              there is still plenty of history to write about ACW. It was the most important 4 odd years in american history, and deserves impartialiit, understanding, and front row treatment as a suject to be studied.
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