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  • The Mexican War

    So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the Mexican War. It's one of the great overlooked wars in American history, usually viewed only for it's development of leaders for the War Between the States. However, I just read a book about Mormon colonization of Arizona (good reading...I can post the link if anyone is interested) that discussed the movements and tribulations of the Mormon Battalion as it marched from Iowa to Santa Fe to San Diego.

    There were, if I understand correctly, three campaigns conducted by US forces in the war with Mexico -- the Veracruz to Mexico City campaign, where Winfield Scott and Robt E Lee made their reputations; the Texas and Northern Mexico Campaign; and the invasion of California. There may be better names for these three, but I'm sure there are many good lessons to learn from this war.

    Does anyone have any opinions or background on this war to share? Does anyone care about it?

    JS
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    It is overlooked far too much by most historians. If you study the Mexican War you can easily see who many of the leaders in the ACW will be. It prepared the leaders of both the North and the South for the later conflict. Not to mention the fact it put one of its leaders (Zachary Taylor) into the limelight that ended with him becoming President.

    Its also America at possibly the most imperialistic it has been in its history. It made the US what it is today, but even U.S. Grant in his memoirs comments on the inequities of the US coming up with an excuse to take Mexican territory.

    Michael Shaara's historical novel "Gone For Soldiers" is a good place for the none historian to learn more about the conflict and some of its major contributors.
    Lance W.

    Peace through superior firepower.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lance Williams
      Its also America at possibly the most imperialistic it has been in its history.
      True. It was "Manifest Destiny" at it best.
      JS
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      • #4
        The Spanish-American was another good example of Manifest Destiny at work. And the Spanish-American war had the founding of more modern infantry tactics, that were promptly forgotten when time came for WWI...
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        • #5
          The Texas Campaign was mainly started to see if all the Mexican army had left the area from when Sam Houston had defeated Santa Anna. There were reports of raids that were contuing from all along the frontier of Texas and Mexico around the start of the war. A good movie to watch about this time period, is One Man's Hero with Tom Berringer. It tells of the battle of Montery. Also deals with the Irish and how they were treated in this time period.

          I will try and get some more information for y'all on this. Like Ive said in the past. Anything with Texas History, I love to research on. I do know this, The 5th Regiment was stationed in southern Texas.
          Govenour Of Texas and all southern provinces. Kepper Of The Holy Woodchipper.

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          • #6
            And at Buena Vista Jefferson Davis made his rep with his TN rifle rgt.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by paul mullin
              And at Buena Vista Jefferson Davis made his rep with his TN rifle rgt.
              I thought they were Mississippi rifles.
              Lance W.

              Peace through superior firepower.

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              • #8
                Jeff Davis hails from the great state of Mississippi.
                Govenour Of Texas and all southern provinces. Kepper Of The Holy Woodchipper.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lance Williams
                  I thought they were Mississippi rifles.
                  It was...wearing Red Shirts. I believe this is where Braxton Bragg drove back a Mexican division by charging with an Artillery battery.
                  JS
                  Barcsi János ispán vezérőrnagy
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jeremy Scott
                    Jeff Davis hails from the great state of Mississippi.
                    Jeff Davis was actually born in Kentucky, but spent much of his life in MS.

                    There is a good book by Anton (Tony) Adams about the Mexican War, The War in Mexico, published by The Emperor's Press. The artwork in the book is cartoonish, but the text is really good.

                    There is a recent game by GMT and Richard H. Berg called Gringo. Tony had a hand as research consultant and playtester. Also, his book was used in the game's production. Gringo uses the Great Battles of the American Civil War system.

                    The only movie that I know which centers on the War was "One Man's Hero" starring Tom Berenger. It was about the San Patricios.
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                    • #11
                      One of my favorites Tom. Mr. Berringer does a good part in the movie.
                      Govenour Of Texas and all southern provinces. Kepper Of The Holy Woodchipper.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Janos
                        It was...wearing Red Shirts. I believe this is where Braxton Bragg drove back a Mexican division by charging with an Artillery battery.
                        JS
                        The Red Shirts in one of history's first RIFLE volley fire's. The Mexican cavalry couldn't believe the range that they were taking casulties. Then Braxton Bragg in his finest moment finished them off.

                        General Taylor:....."Captain Bragg, double canister!"
                        Lance W.

                        Peace through superior firepower.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lance Williams
                          The Red Shirts in one of history's first RIFLE volley fire's. The Mexican cavalry couldn't believe the range that they were taking casulties. Then Braxton Bragg in his finest moment finished them off.

                          General Taylor:....."Captain Bragg, double canister!"
                          And the next thing you know, he was noticed arguing with himself and became a poor corps commander and an even worse army commander.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tom DeFranco
                            And the next thing you know, he was noticed arguing with himself and became a poor corps commander and an even worse army commander.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GeorgiaDixie
                              Maybe ol' Braxton was best suited to stand by his guns and not move from there.
                              I come here to discuss a piece of business with you and what are you gonna do? You're gonna tell me fairy tales? James Caan in the movie "Thief" ca 1981

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