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    While this is not limted to the "Wild West" in your opinion what was the most feared tribes in American history. Why?

    IMO to much is concentrated on the tribes of the west, but were they really feared by other NA. Did they really threaten the whites on an equal bases?
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

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    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

  • #2
    Good thread,
    I'd nominate the Apache, at least in the popular imagination they're most fearsome.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Selous View Post
      Good thread,
      I'd nominate the Apache, at least in the popular imagination they're most fearsome.
      That is one opinion, it's not mine. My pick is far to the East. The Apache were a thorn but warfare between them and other tribes was minimal AFAIK
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        How about the Huron or Mohicans? I bet they were terrifying to settlers, and probably to other indians
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        • #5
          The Eastern Woodland Indians as a whole were a much more dangerous proposition than any of the Plains/western tribes.

          As a whole, the Algonquin allied to the French were tougher than woodpecker lips, to use a rough analogy, and were a major problem to the English and the colonists at least up to the end of the French and Indian War.

          The Iroquois Confederation were a great danger to the US during the War of the Revolution and the tribes in the Old Northwest were a major problem until Anthony Wayne and the Legion of the United Stated finally defeated them.

          On the other hand, the Stockbridge Indians were excellent allies to the British and then the Americans fighting first against the French and their Indian allies and then against the British and Iroquois.

          Sincerely,
          M
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
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          • #6
            My pick is the Shawee. They fought the Cherokee and were left alone after being defeating them. Even though it was only a small part of the tribe in the south. The Seven Nations held them in high respect as well and tried to avoid conflict.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
              My pick is the Shawee. They fought the Cherokee and were left alone after being defeating them. Even though it was only a small part of the tribe in the south. The Seven Nations held them in high respect as well and tried to avoid conflict.
              I think it's really hard to compare. We all have our favorites. Obviously many tribes were good at warfare, either inter-tribal or with the gringos. Not saying they were "most fierce" but the Nez Perce showed some fine, intelligent fighting during their flight through Idaho and Montana. Just ask the battalion of 7th cavalry that pressed the initial attack at Bear Paw (many were veterans of the Little Big Horn). Within minutes, virtually everyone in leadership was a casualty. Many were dead, including battalion commander Owen Hale. Nearly 50 percent of that battalion were casualties.

              Here is an excerpt of the report that Captain M. Moyland made to Col. Samuel Sturgis.

              "Below is the loss sustained by the battalion in the action:

              Company "A", 5 men killed; 1 officer (Captain Moylan), 8 men wounded.

              Company “D", 4 men killed; (Captain Godfrey) 11 men wounded

              Company “K", 3 officers (Captain Hale, Lt. Biddle) and 9 men killed, 12 men wounded.

              Making a total of 53 officers and men killed and wounded out of 115 officers and men engaged. All of which occurred during the first day's fight.

              (Signed) M. Moylan,

              Captain, Seventh Cavalry"
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              • #8
                The Nez Perce with Cheif Joseph did indeed show great military excellence, but they we a short period in history. Also, afaik they had been a realitivly peaceful and even friendly tribe before this.
                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                • #9
                  Seminoles for sure. No other Native tribe, as valiantly as they fought, repelled the US advance. The Seminoles didn't defeat them, but they fought on and refused to be subjugated.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ricthofen View Post
                    Seminoles for sure. No other Native tribe, as valiantly as they fought, repelled the US advance. The Seminoles didn't defeat them, but they fought on and refused to be subjugated.
                    Good point and they were not western NA.
                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #11
                      I'm thinking Little Turtle and the Miamis along with their allies, the Shawnee. Also think the Mohawk were very tough.

                      But, to go west for a moment, there were certainly some great fighters there also. Sioux & Cheyenne

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ricthofen View Post
                        Seminoles for sure. No other Native tribe, as valiantly as they fought, repelled the US advance. The Seminoles didn't defeat them, but they fought on and refused to be subjugated.
                        The Seminoles were not an 'original' tribe and were made up of the remnants of others, and also included former black slaves.

                        Sincerely,
                        M
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post
                          The Seminoles were not an 'original' tribe and were made up of the remnants of others, and also included former black slaves.

                          Sincerely,
                          M
                          yes, they were mostly Creek and some other minor tribes native to florida. And the black slaves. Wild Cat and Osceola famous among them. They went on to serve with the US Cavalry in TX. Scouts for Mackenzie for years. Particularly on the Red River War.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole

                          There was a place on the gulf coast of the panhandle near St. Marks wildlife refuge that was sight of the Negro Fort. Seems like it remained active as a refuge and may have been hit by Andrew Jackson in the first incursion into Spanish Florida.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Negro_Fort

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                          • #14
                            The Commanche.

                            They actually succeeded in driving back the frontier in Texas a significant distance.

                            Killed some 10,000 people during raids.
                            "The blade itself incites to deeds of violence".

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