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  • Why did the US fail to conquer Canada in 1812?

    I've read quite a bit on this subject but would solicite some input. Poor leadership? No support in the New England states? Underestimating the British and Canadian resolve? Miscalculating the loyalties of the First Nations? A little bit of all?
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    Probably because of 1) manpower and 2) political will. The US certainly was not militarily ready for the war and really didn't want to take on the 'superpower' of the day.
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    • #3
      OK, but it was the US who declared war on the superpower. This declaration was not seen as very, honourable, because of the ongoing war in Europe and that some nations felt that the US were declaring war on Britain when Britain was in a weeker state than usual.
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      • #4
        As the decendent of a combatant who was killed at the October 5, 1813 Battle of the Thames I have looked to some degree into the confict in Canada during the War of 1812.

        I would say that there would be two reasons US incursions into Canada failed.

        First, the British were better organized and had better leadership, in particular General Brock.

        Second, the British had very loyal allies in the Native American alliance assembled by the Shawnee Chief Tecumseh. Tecumseh had a close, personal relationship with the afore mentioned General Brock and the Natives were often the deciding factor in battle.
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        • #5
          War of 1812

          The American failure to take Canada was the result of exceptionally poor leadership both at the National and local levels. The resources available were never properly apllied with skill and daring. While the Militia system could provide the raw numbers and equipment, it could not provide the initiative necessary to bring those number to the battlefield where it counted. All to often political Generals retreated in the face of inferior numbers or failed to coordinate their movements in such a manner as to render any defense quite difficult. On the few occasions when forces of equal military standing faced off across the the field the Americans gave as good as they got. The British and their Canadian supporters performed outstandingly. The repulse of the American invasion was something all Canadians can look to with pride.

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          • #6
            With pride? Absolutely and very well said. Again, at the risk of repeating myself, being ex-military, having served in a UN mission, I am very proud of the canadian military throughout the ages. One would think that there would be monuments to our victories over our US ennemy at the time. It seems our government doesn't feel that way. One example is the battle of Lundy's Lane. Battle fought by both sides with nearly two thousand casualties total. Battle fought valiantly and bravely for the control of guns. The monument commemorating that battle was paid for by a private citizen... on property she bought!! If I am wrong, please correct me but if my memory serves me correctly.....
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            • #7
              We beat the U.S becasue we rule! GO CANADA!!!
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                • #9
                  one man stands out

                  "Fate tried to conceal him under one of the most common names; Time, by pitching him into the most unmilitary period in the history of our peaceful republic; his parents, by bringing him up as a Quaker; the commanding general of the United States Army, by reporting him as the most stupid and insubordinate officer under his command; and the goverment, by giving him neither men nor horses nor guns. Yet he saved our Northern frontier twice; he won one of the most desperate battles in American history, and with raw militia at his back he broke the veterans who had stood unwarvering before Napoleon. Not Sheridan or Longstreet or Mad Anthony Wayne more furiously rode the whirlwind.
                  Gentlemen, I give you General Jacob Brown, the best battle captain in the history of the nation."

                  This is the introduction in an article by Fletcher Pratt, written for the Infantry Journal in 1937.

                  General Jacob Brown, Fought on the Northern Front during the war of 1812.
                  His defense of Sackett's Harbor probably saved the entire Northern Frontier in 1813.
                  Most importantly rallying the fugitive militia and counterattacking the British, snatching victory from defeat.
                  Alone among the leadership his men worshiped him. They built huts with fireplaces, drainage and latrines on his orders and had fewer men on sickcall than any other brigade.
                  When ordered to attack the Scots, led by Major General Gordon Drummond, the generally untrained, rowdy militia charged-(the same men who failed every other general of that war)-followed Brown, killed the defending Scots infantry in place and spiked the guns.
                  After the war Jacob Brown became the first General-in-chief of the Army.

                  The inability to take Canada during the war of 1812 by America, is equal to the inability of England to take the Northern Frontier from the men charged with defending it.
                  Namely General Jacob Brown.

                  there is a book out, Sword of the Border: Major General Jacob Jennings Brown, 1775-1828, by John D. Morris
                  I have not read it, yet. But i want to know more of this great captain.
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                  • #10
                    "The inability to take Canada during the war of 1812 by America, is equal to the inability of England to take the Northern Frontier from the men charged with defending it.
                    Namely General Jacob Brown."

                    I'm a bit confused in this statement. Are you saying that the conquest of Canada failed because of General Brown's Sacket Harbour defence?
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                    • #11
                      Yes u are confused:quest:

                      What i was trying to say is this.

                      Britain was unable to wrestle from America, The Northern Frontier.
                      Named General Jacob Brown as key to this defense.

                      America was unable to wrestle from Britain, Canada.
                      Unnamed General as key to this defense.

                      Both sides tried and died, but held onto what they had.

                      Clear?

                      sorry for any problems in transmission. Brainwave patterns are known to be faulty at times.
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                      • #12
                        I assume the unknown general you are mentionning is General Brock?
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                        • #13
                          We won the war! Although we got a little sloppy towards the end we repulsed the invasion and when British reinforcements arrived we took Washington and large parts of Northen Territory. We blockaded the American coast and cut American trade from 45,000,000 to 7,000,000 in three years! We WIN!


                          -And by we I mean the British and us and the natives. If it wern't for the British and the natives Canada would have been lost. The tales of the brave Canadian milita that repulsed the land hungry Americans is nothing but junk. The Canadian milita was more of a liability than an asset.
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                          • #14
                            I agree with you yes and no. The battle of Chateauguay was fought mostly by Canadian militias. The Voltigeurs and the Glengarry Light Infantry repulsed an attack. So in this case, the militia weren't a liability.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Napoleon
                              We beat the U.S becasue we rule! GO CANADA!!!
                              Canada? They're just Americans with a queen (states we haven't got to yet).
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