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    If Hayden Smith works out...other NFL teams may start picking through rugby players for raw talent. Rugby players should be ideal at the tight end position.



    Yes, Hayden Smith can go up top. (Getty Images)



    Hayden Smith gets to grips with Will Genia while playing for the USA against the Wallabies at the 2011 Rugby World Cup. (Source: AFP)


    Hayden Smith goes from Sydney Kings to US rugby union, to Saracens rugby player to potential New York Jets NFL star
    by: Neil Cordy
    From: The Daily Telegraph
    April 02, 2012 - 11:30PM

    Former Wallabies assistant coach Scott Johnson, then coaching the US Eagles, spotted him playing college rugby for fun and invited him to join the US team.
    From there, the 26-year-old carved out a career playing professional rugby in England's Aviva premiership for Saracens.
    It wasn't long before NFL scouts noticed his rare mix of agility, handling skills and size. He has trialled with NFL franchises, including Philadelphia, Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins, New Orleans Saints and finally the New York Jets.
    Tim Brewster, the former head coach of the University of Minnesota, is regarded as a tight end guru. He backs Smith to make the transition. "A lot of coaches shy away from guys who haven't played the game because it is an exhausting process," Brewster said.
    "To me, that's the exciting part. Taking a piece of clay like that.
    "And I am going to tell you Hayden Smith is one beautiful piece of clay. Just mould him into what you want him to be."

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/...-1226317079300
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    What are they gonna do now seeing they are getting some one who can tackle in the game
    http://g.bf3stats.com/pc/1LP76r6C/melba_101.png

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    • #3
      To be fair...many moves that are legal in rugby are illegal in the NFL. It may be hard for rugby guys to refrain from their normal routine, they'll earn many yellow flags.


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      • #4
        I suspect a good Rugby player could be a good pro football player.

        why not? many of the same skills are involved and they are obviously tough enough because they play a game with no pads..
        Human beings are the only creatures who are able to behave irrationally in the name of reason.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KICK View Post
          I suspect a good Rugby player could be a good pro football player.

          why not? many of the same skills are involved and they are obviously tough enough because they play a game with no pads..
          That's the thing, they are used to playing rough with lots of physical contact. That stuff won't fly in the NFL. There will be a learning curve but if rugby players can adapt, they will have great potential. I'm hoping the games we've been having in England the last several years will entice some to give American football a shot. If nothing else, the pay is very attractive.
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          • #6
            Don't know if you can view this in the states, it's a vid of Martin Johnson (A noted Rugby player) talking about American Football on BBC Sport.

            http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ll/9382702.stm

            Personally I'd be cautious about migrations from Rugby to NFL - it'd be like English cricketers going to the Indian league for the money, it could lead to a drain of talent from English Rugby (or Australian as the case may be with Smith), talent sorely needed to keep barbarians like Maoris and Boers from dominating the game ( ) . That may not be the case, exactly, but something I'd worry about as a rugby fan, if it's possible to transfer from one to the other so simply.

            American football has proven popular in London with the American expats and many Britons there but outside of the city I don't think it's caught on much yet. Rugby is growing in the US probably better than American football is growing here - in the US I met college rugby players and it seemed like a novel thing that was going on and people were interested in, I don't see much American Football here, but the university I'm at the moment does have a team I am told is okay.
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            • #7
              "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

              "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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              • #8
                Rugby hits look brutal, to do it without any pads...very impressive.


                "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                • #9
                  There's a technique to it, you have to do it right - of course in the arena that's not always doable and you can get pretty badly hurt, but I think in American football your velocity is greater and there might be less tackling restrictions in the book? hence the need for padding?

                  I've nowt against NFL as a sport, I just hate the tight little trousers. Makes me feel a bit sick.

                  PS - Thanks Persephone, much appreciated
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                  • #10
                    When I moved from London to Arizona, I was certain there would be no rugby in Arizona. Turns out, Arizona is very into the sport. Then a colleague showed me the Arizona Rugby Union.

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                    • #11
                      Here are the list of successful transitions from the rugby union to the NFL....


                      Terry Price from Wales, played for the Buffalo Bills.
                      Colin Scott from Australia, played for the Arizona Cardinals and the Houston Oilers.
                      Steve Tasker from U.S., played for the Buffalo Bills.
                      Gary Anderson from South Africa, played for the New Orleans Saints.
                      Richard Tardits from France, played on the Arizona Cardinals and the New England Patriots.
                      David Dixon from New Zealand, played for the Minnesota Vikings.
                      Haloti Ngata from U.S., plays for the Baltimore Ravens.
                      Stewart Bradley from U.S., plays for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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                      • #12
                        No one any good then

                        I'm jokin'

                        Is this Anderson mentioned above?
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_An...ssional_career

                        That suggests he didn't play Rugby in SA but went straight to NFL with the Bills/Steelers.
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                        • #13
                          Your right though, not many of them were great NFL players.

                          Haloti Ngata is a pretty good defensive end for the Baltimore Ravens. Steve Tasker was a decent WR, quick little guy.

                          Gary Anderson grew up playing rugby and soccer. This link goes into more detail...


                          SA boytjie in the US
                          2000-10-25 21:42

                          Washington. - A Free Stater, who excelled in soccer and rugby at home, has found fame on the artificial surfaces of American gridiron football pitches.
                          He inherited his ball skills from his father, the Reverend Douglas Anderson, who played professional soccer in England before moving to South Africa.
                          "As a child I spent thousands of hours kicking a ball. Little did I realise at the time, that I was developing talents for a sport I had never even seen before," he said.
                          The Anderson family moved to the US in 1977 where the 18-year-old Gary registered as a student at the Syracuse University. In his first year he was the top goal kicker for the universityĆs soccer side and he also played rugby.
                          But his life changed after a football coach "discovered" him at the universityĆs training camp.

                          http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/SA...he-US-20001025
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                          • #14
                            Nah, unless you can show me his Free State Cheetahs contract it don't count he didn't play professional rugby, unlike yer man Hayden Smith.
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                            • #15
                              Jarryd Hayne

                              My team have 2 Australian rugby players on the roster. One is a kicker and the other is a punt return specialist/running back.

                              From what I've read, Jarryd Hayne was a superstar in rugby and was due to sign a huge contract but instead opted to come to the United States to play for the NFL. I really like what I've seen so far. I'll be rooting him on this season. So will the contingent of Australian reporters who are here to follow him this season. Last week, there were only 4 reporters from Australia, this week there's 20.

                              In the press box, reporters are not allowed to cheer. When Jarryd Hayne broke free for a 53 yard run last week, the Australian reporters burst out in a huge cheer, prompting a warning from the press box announcer to refrain from cheering in the press box.



                              From this....





                              To this.....




                              "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

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