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  • #16
    Why are we confusing managers and coaches? If you watch Money Ball you see the difference in the two jobs.

    Pruitt
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    • #17
      I guess I should have said managers and head coaches.
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      • #18
        To me a Great general manager gets the best players he can find. A Great head coach makes a team of these individuals. You can still screw it up. Sometimes the best players are Jerks and can't be a true team member.

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        • #19
          Frankie Frisch was a hell of a player who became a hell of a manager for the St.Louis Cardinals, and won pennants and World Series. They practically owned part of the 1930's.

          John J. McGraw was a hell of a player, and no one can deny how good a manager he was.
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          • #20
            Bill Russell was a helluva player-coach.

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            • #21
              So was Pete Rose. Til he was caught betting.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                Why are we confusing managers and coaches? If you watch Money Ball you see the difference in the two jobs.

                Pruitt
                I do not think we are, though perhaps you may be muddying the waters here. Depending on the sport that title is the same. American football coach and baseball manager are the same level of responsibility.

                General manager is a completely separate function from manager. You yourself indicate as much in another post. Some jobs, especially in football are a combination of the two.

                That merger of the coach and GM roles happens when a coach has developed a very high reputation. I do not believe it has ever taken place in the reverse with a GM taking on the coaches mantle.

                Usually when one person has both roles, the result is not pretty! The ability to judge talent and the ability to coach talent do not require the same skills. Also confusing the issue is the coach having the responsibility to negotiate contracts in that situation. Yowza, it does get ugly quickly!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rebpreacher View Post
                  So was Pete Rose. Til he was caught betting.
                  Pete wasn't a great manager. He was not skilled at handling pitchers and pitching staffs. Bill Russell makes the list of those who showed greatness as both, but not Pete.

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                  • #24
                    He was better than some. And hey Lou Pinella was a good player and a good manager.

                    Originally posted by D1J1 View Post
                    Pete wasn't a great manager. He was not skilled at handling pitchers and pitching staffs. Bill Russell makes the list of those who showed greatness as both, but not Pete.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by llkinak View Post
                      Because athletic ability has nothing to do with leadership, managing people, or the ability to teach.

                      This is not limited to athletics by any means. Take the work place for example: Employee A is the best technician in the orgainzation, but that doesn't mean they're cut out for a role as an instructor, supervisor, or manager. Completely different skill sets.
                      Great post. I think that sums it up nicely.
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