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  • Liberal Press vs. George W Bush

    http://www.aim.org/aim_column/1623_0_3_0_C/

    Explains (for those who haven't figured it out yet) why the press hates the Prez and how they show it.

    JS
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  • #2
    Let's see now...the second sentence of the article is "Journalists, he said, are angry at Bush because they can't discredit him on the issues of moral integrity and personal character."

    I suppose that must mean that compulsive lying is now a hallmark of "moral integrity" in the Republican world view.
    I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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    • #3
      And failure to acknowledge mistakes, or to accept responsibility for his actions, as well should be thrown out as positive indicators of "moral integrity and personal character", if we're to accept the article's premise.

      You can repeat the lie, a thousand times over, but it still won't make it truth...
      I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JAMiAM
        And failure to acknowledge mistakes, or to accept responsibility for his actions, as well should be thrown out as positive indicators of "moral integrity and personal character", if we're to accept the article's premise.

        You can repeat the lie, a thousand times over, but it still won't make it truth...
        You're hopeless, old buddy

        JS
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        • #5
          Originally posted by JAMiAM
          Let's see now...the second sentence of the article is "Journalists, he said, are angry at Bush because they can't discredit him on the issues of moral integrity and personal character."

          I suppose that must mean that compulsive lying is now a hallmark of "moral integrity" in the Republican world view.
          I'm just wondering where this compulsive lying is. What has Bush lied about? He's said some things based on false information, but that isn't lying. Please, give me some examples.
          "Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for"
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          • #6
            "Rasmussen takes such a stand at considerable risk not only because of the Madrid bombing that forced Spanish troops out of Iraq but because he faces the kind of media bias there that we experience here. One of his reasons for supporting the U.S. in Iraq was that Denmark has a debt to the U.S. for all that America has done for his country."

            -from what I read in U.S. and European papers is that President Zapatero (sp.) of Spain claimed he would withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq BEFORE he was elected and BEFORE the 3/11 Terrorist attacks because the Spanish citizens did not think the reasons for attacking Iraq were valid (presence of WMDs, able to deploy WMDs in 45 minutes, etc.). Initially, they were planning to withdraw from Iraq by the end of June they pulled out sooner to avoid giving the terrorists political motive to attack their troops (i.e. make it look like the terrorist forced them out)

            Interesting viewpoint. I will have to dig up that study on media bias from Columbia U. (?). They found out that left-leaning papers tend to be independent in viewpoint. The Right-leaning media tends to think its duty is to push the president's agenda.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by GeorgiaDixie
              I'm just wondering where this compulsive lying is. What has Bush lied about? He's said some things based on false information, but that isn't lying. Please, give me some examples.
              Transcript from February on Meet the Press

              "Russert: If the Iraqis choose, however, an Islamic extremist regime, would you accept that, and would that be better for the United States than Saddam Hussein?

              President Bush: They're not going to develop that. And the reason I can say that is because I'm very aware of this basic law they're writing. They're not going to develop that because right here in the Oval Office I sat down with Mr. Pachachi and Chalabi and al-Hakim, people from different parts of the country that have made the firm commitment, that they want a constitution eventually written that recognizes minority rights and freedom of religion."


              Contrast this with the transcript from the Rose Garden press conference June 1, after Chalabi (or highly a placed member of his organization, at the very least) was revealed as an Iranian mole.

              "Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Chalabi is an Iraqi leader that's fallen out of favor within your administration. I'm wondering if you feel that he provided any false information, or are you particularly --

              THE PRESIDENT: Chalabi?

              Q Yes, with Chalabi.

              THE PRESIDENT: My meetings with him were very brief. I mean, I think I met with him at the State of the Union and just kind of working through the rope line, and he might have come with a group of leaders. But I haven't had any extensive conversations with him."

              And the bit about "I think I met him at the State of the Union"? For crying out loud, Chalabi sat directly behind his wife on that occasion! How chummy do you think you have to be, to be in a position like that?
              I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GeorgiaDixie
                I'm just wondering where this compulsive lying is. What has Bush lied about? He's said some things based on false information, but that isn't lying. Please, give me some examples.
                Does the line "wrestling with a pig" mean anything to you? Because engaging Jamiam in debate is exactly that.

                JS
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Janos
                  Does the line "wrestling with a pig" mean anything to you? Because engaging Jamiam in debate is exactly that.

                  JS
                  Let me see if I've got this straight. I reply to another user's request for an example where Bush has lied, with something that is on the public record, and verifiable, and you react with an ad hominen attack on me?

                  Is this what you call "moderating" a debate? I expect more of the staff. Am I unrealistic to do so?
                  I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Janos
                    Does the line "wrestling with a pig" mean anything to you? Because engaging Jamiam in debate is exactly that.

                    JS
                    Oink, Oink!
                    "Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for"
                    "The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JAMiAM
                      Let me see if I've got this straight. I reply to another user's request for an example where Bush has lied, with something that is on the public record, and verifiable, and you react with an ad hominen attack on me?

                      Is this what you call "moderating" a debate? I expect more of the staff. Am I unrealistic to do so?
                      I believe (and please correct me if I'm wrong Janos) that he meant it as a joke. As he said in a post somewhere else, his computer is slow so sometimes he doesn't wait for the smilies, or I think he would have put one of these in there
                      "Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for"
                      "The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JAMiAM
                        And failure to acknowledge mistakes, or to accept responsibility for his actions, as well should be thrown out as positive indicators of "moral integrity and personal character", if we're to accept the article's premise.

                        Well, you know, they say that "perception is nine-tenths of reality". Also, "repeat a lie often enough, and people will begin to believe it."
                        You can repeat the lie, a thousand times over, but it still won't make it truth...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hogdriver
                          Well, you know, they say that "perception is nine-tenths of reality". Also, "repeat a lie often enough, and people will begin to believe it."
                          I agree, with a slight semantic clarification. "Perception will form nine-tenths of a person's reality" is a bit more accurate.
                          I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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                          • #14
                            Well repeating a lie enough time does seem to be something the administration is fond of.

                            He went around saying that before the election he had said he would only go into deficit spending if the was a war, a national crisis, or a recession occured (I think that was the three he said, I don't remember exactly). And so he went around making a joke that he never thought he would have a trifecto.

                            Well, a few people did some looking around he never actually said any of that before the election. In fact the closest reference to any of that was Gore saying that he would keep a balanced budget unless a war or recession broke out.

                            I'll try to find the details of this again, but I can't at the moment (sorry!). I'll try to post the details ASAP.
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                            • #15
                              that's an interesting take on the bias in the media....hmmm

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