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    My father recently gave me back some of my old Boy Scout gear. It sure has been conjuring up memories.

    I was an avid boy scout during the early and mid 1980's:

    1983-inducted into The Order of the Arrow

    1984-visited the Florida Sea Base high avdenture camp and earned my Eagle Scout badge

    1985- was an assistant senior patrol leader in National Jamboree troop #212

    1986 & 1987- Worked in the kitchens at Philmont Scout Ranch and had great adventures all over New Mexico and the southwest.

    in between these events i spent tons of time organizing and participating in various fund-raisers to finance my adventures.

    I have since renounced the boy scouts due to thier official policy of exclusion concerning gay leadership. I feel so strongly that I cancelled my membership in both OA and the National Eagle Scout Association. I have fond memories of scouting.

    Are there any other scouts past or present on the ACG boards?
    Givin' you the scoop, the poop, the skinny and the scuttlebutt since 1969!

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    Fenrir,
    I was a scout up until the mid '90's. My troop leaders' definition of a meeting was us playing sports while they got drunk, so I quit. Cub Scouts was fun though, since my Mom was a den mother. I still hold some fond memories of my years in the scouts.
    Pvt. Bob Mana,
    Co. B, 3rd Maryland Vol. Infantry, 1st Brigade, 1st Division, 12th Corps, Union Army of the Potomac

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    • #3
      My mother was a Stork Mother. I assume everybody knows that there are two types of Mother - Logs and Storks. I'll happily tell the story behind this if required, but for now, suffice it to say that my Mother is Stork all the way. Well, she was, she's given up on me now. I am too powerful for her.

      Anyway, there's a point to all of this - she made me join the Boy Scouts and I went for about three weeks and dropped out - I hated it. Fortunately, this was before my Mother had bought me the uniform and kit, or I'd have been well and truly "drafted" for years.

      She's never let me forget it. But the way I see it is that I was saving her money!

      Dr. S.
      Imagine a ball of iron, the size of the sun. And once a year a tiny sparrow brushes its surface with the tip of its wing. And when that ball of iron, the size of the sun, is worn away to nothing, your punishment will barely have begun.

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      • #4
        I did the tour up from Cub to Eagle, but never did get nominated for OA. I got into high school and JROTC and later a job took over as my primary extra-cirricular activity. I think it served it's purpose when I was growing up, but it's certainly not for everyone; kinda like college.

        Dr. S., you could have learned so much... electronics, wilderness survival, finance, and safety... that way you could fund you underground bunker construction, have it meet safety guidelines (to prevent heroes from tossing your henchmen to their deaths), background education for your computer empire (or laser, whichever works for you), and how to survive outdoors when the inevitable good guy blows your base up and you're left out in the cold.:P
        If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chrisvalla
          Dr. S., you could have learned so much... electronics, wilderness survival, finance, and safety... that way you could fund you underground bunker construction, have it meet safety guidelines (to prevent heroes from tossing your henchmen to their deaths), background education for your computer empire (or laser, whichever works for you), and how to survive outdoors when the inevitable good guy blows your base up and you're left out in the cold.:P
          IF ONLY I'D KNOWN!

          I shall never forgive my Mother for not making me continue to go (Yes, I'm good at double-standards!).

          Dr. S.
          Imagine a ball of iron, the size of the sun. And once a year a tiny sparrow brushes its surface with the tip of its wing. And when that ball of iron, the size of the sun, is worn away to nothing, your punishment will barely have begun.

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          • #6
            Re: Be Prepared. Do a Good Turn Daily.

            Originally posted by Fenrir
            I have since renounced the boy scouts due to thier official policy of exclusion concerning gay leadership. I feel so strongly that I cancelled my membership in both OA and the National Eagle Scout Association. I have fond memories of scouting.
            I am a former Cub Scout, Webelo, Boy Scout and Cubmaster. I think Scouting is great. One of the great strengths is that they have maintained their standards in face of assaults from the left wing to destroy the moral code that made America great.

            I think it's a shame you turned your back on them when they need you, Fenrir.

            JS
            Barcsi János ispán vezérőrnagy
            Time Magazine's Person of the Year for 2003 & 2006


            "Never pet a burning dog."

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            • #7
              Re: Re: Be Prepared. Do a Good Turn Daily.

              Originally posted by Janos
              I am a former Cub Scout, Webelo, Boy Scout and Cubmaster. I think Scouting is great. One of the great strengths is that they have maintained their standards in face of assaults from the left wing to destroy the moral code that made America great.

              I think it's a shame you turned your back on them when they need you, Fenrir.

              JS
              The BSA was, for me, a refuge. I didn't make friends well in school and got teased and picked on a lot. In Scouts I could be myself and I had friends all over the state and country and I travelled to all these events and I always felt accepted.

              Scouts taught me valuable lessons from campcraft and public speaking to beer bongs, how to find and take peyote, where to look for magic mushrooms, how to make a pot pipe out of an apple, how to cook for hundreds of people, as well as self reliance and a work ethic.

              I think that homophobia, like racism and sexism, have no place in the scouting experience. Learning to understand and tolerate people with different values and finding ways to work together are things that should have a place in scouting.

              The Scouts don't need me now. We don't beleive the same things any more. Most people don't want me filling thier son's heads with what I think is right and wrong.

              I had a great time and use the skills I learned every day. Often times I miss my old friends and the comraderie. I really miss singing and perorming skits around the campfire!

              (No, I'm not gay.......):nonono:
              Givin' you the scoop, the poop, the skinny and the scuttlebutt since 1969!

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              • #8
                Re: Re: Re: Be Prepared. Do a Good Turn Daily.

                Originally posted by Fenrir
                I think that homophobia, like racism and sexism, have no place in the scouting experience. Learning to understand and tolerate people with different values and finding ways to work together are things that should have a place in scouting.

                The Scouts don't need me now. We don't beleive the same things any more. Most people don't want me filling thier son's heads with what I think is right and wrong.
                Their standards haven't changed with the seasons, Fenrir, like many people in the world have changed theirs. I respect them for it.

                ...and I suspect you're right about my son's head.
                Barcsi János ispán vezérőrnagy
                Time Magazine's Person of the Year for 2003 & 2006


                "Never pet a burning dog."

                RECOMMENDED WEBSITES:
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                http://www.sca.org
                http://www.scv.org/
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                • #9
                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Be Prepared. Do a Good Turn Daily.

                  Originally posted by Janos
                  Their standards haven't changed with the seasons, Fenrir, like many people in the world have changed theirs. I respect them for it.

                  ...and I suspect you're right about my son's head.
                  Originally, that's why i liked the scouts. I had a norman rockwell style vision of scouting and in many ways i found it in my experiences. but, I have changed greatly in the last 20 years and gone is my nostalgia for an age that, if it existed at all, I never experienced.

                  I know i'm right about your son's head.

                  My father certainly would not have wanted a paranoid left wing, would-be socialist, feminist, crack-pot filling my head with nihilistic dreams of atheism, egalitarianism and freedom all to a hardcore punk soundtrack. ( :crazy: ) to this day he still thinks i'm a bit "off my rocker"
                  Givin' you the scoop, the poop, the skinny and the scuttlebutt since 1969!

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                  • #10
                    Did the Cub to Eagle thing too. I had the Norman Rockwell vision too. In fact the one 'Scoutmaster' picture of the Scoutmaster standing over a fire in front of tents late at night looks so much like my Dad its painful. Scouting was my parents social life to a large degree.

                    Did the Scout leader thing off and on depending on where I was stationed too. I was taking my son through Cubbies when he wanted to play youth FB instead. So we dropped both Cubs and Soccer and I helped coach FB for a few years.

                    Scouting has changed and so have I. While as for being PC is the furthest thing from my mind some of the double standards and intolerance I have seen in Scouting has soured me on it to some degree. But I found that in small towns with a small troop or pack you can still get back to basics. That's scouting...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RetPara
                      Did the Cub to Eagle thing too. I had the Norman Rockwell vision too. In fact the one 'Scoutmaster' picture of the Scoutmaster standing over a fire in front of tents late at night looks so much like my Dad its painful. Scouting was my parents social life to a large degree.

                      Did the Scout leader thing off and on depending on where I was stationed too. I was taking my son through Cubbies when he wanted to play youth FB instead. So we dropped both Cubs and Soccer and I helped coach FB for a few years.

                      Scouting has changed and so have I. While as for being PC is the furthest thing from my mind some of the double standards and intolerance I have seen in Scouting has soured me on it to some degree. But I found that in small towns with a small troop or pack you can still get back to basics. That's scouting...
                      I know the Rockwell you're talking about, of course. All those paintings were a great inspiration to me in my youth. I remember being frustrated with scouts when I became an adult leader because the scouts and the leaders didn't seem to want to learn about the history of scouting or it's legacy. They wanted to say the oath and the law at a meeting and then go play football for an hour while the adults told jokes and shot the ****. The kids were only motivated to get merit badges because they wanted the rank. To me that sullied the purity of the scouting experience.
                      Givin' you the scoop, the poop, the skinny and the scuttlebutt since 1969!

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                      • #12
                        Was in the scouts for a couple years back in the 60's and we had a great time. It was a pretty rowdy troop, the troop leader let us have boxing matches and on camp outs we sometimes got into scuffles with guys from other troops. We had a special patch within our troop called the black patch and you had to go thru a pretty crazy initiation to earn it. We had a good mix of middle class and poor guys in the organization and if we weren't fighting each other, we was fighting someone else. Maybe not the All American version of the scouts but I thought it was a blast!:thumb:
                        "War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want."
                        General William "Uncle Billy" Sherman

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                        • #13
                          I think that homophobia, like racism and sexism, have no place in the scouting experience. Learning to understand and tolerate people with different values and finding ways to work together are things that should have a place in scouting.
                          I really have given a lot of thought on this thread,especially given your reasons for your "renouncement" I've been accused of all three of those things in my life. (Im guilty,to what degree on any of them is subject to interpitation) Whatever your personal opinions may be,It's a private organization and set their own rules. Im sure as soon as I opened my mouth there are a number of organizations who wouldnt want anything to do with me either.

                          I was a member from the time I was 11 to 18. My gripes were all at the troop level as the leaders themselves didnt care for me any more then I did them. At a national level? No problem whatsoever.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RetPara
                            Scouting has changed and so have I. While as for being PC is the furthest thing from my mind some of the double standards and intolerance I have seen in Scouting has soured me on it to some degree. But I found that in small towns with a small troop or pack you can still get back to basics. That's scouting...
                            Maybe it's because in recent years all of my scouting experience has been through church groups (which would leave if scouting followed societies morals) that my son and I have not seen the decline in scouting you speak of.

                            I hope scouting is not the way it has been described by some in this thread.
                            Barcsi János ispán vezérőrnagy
                            Time Magazine's Person of the Year for 2003 & 2006


                            "Never pet a burning dog."

                            RECOMMENDED WEBSITES:
                            http://www.mormon.org
                            http://www.sca.org
                            http://www.scv.org/
                            http://www.scouting.org/

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                            • #15
                              Re: Be Prepared. Do a Good Turn Daily.

                              Originally posted by Fenrir
                              My father recently gave me back some of my old Boy Scout gear. It sure has been conjuring up memories.

                              I was an avid boy scout during the early and mid 1980's:

                              1983-inducted into The Order of the Arrow

                              1984-visited the Florida Sea Base high avdenture camp and earned my Eagle Scout badge

                              1985- was an assistant senior patrol leader in National Jamboree troop #212

                              1986 & 1987- Worked in the kitchens at Philmont Scout Ranch and had great adventures all over New Mexico and the southwest.

                              in between these events i spent tons of time organizing and participating in various fund-raisers to finance my adventures.

                              I have since renounced the boy scouts due to thier official policy of exclusion concerning gay leadership. I feel so strongly that I cancelled my membership in both OA and the National Eagle Scout Association. I have fond memories of scouting.

                              Are there any other scouts past or present on the ACG boards?
                              :thumb: [salutes Fenrir] I was a scout from about 1972 to 1977, serving as Senior Patrol Leader from about 1974 to 1977. Did not go to any Jamborees or other functions outside of Michigan, as my parents could not afford to send me. Attended winter encampments each year, "Camp Ice Cube" if memory serves. As I was our Troop's first Patrol leader, I was extensively involved in writing Troop papers regarding Patrol Leader priveleges and repsonsibilities, guidance for Asst. Patrol leaders, and for individual Scouts. Going to camps was great, some of the best experiences of my boyhood.
                              Mens Est Clavis Victoriae
                              (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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