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  • Google ain't what she used to be.

    Has anyone else noticed a decline in the quality of Google products since it became an icon of social justice. I understand correlation is not causation but...
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  • #2
    Which products are you talking about? I only use Gmail, Google and Google Docs, and all of those work as good as ever. I don't know where you got the image that Google is an icon of social justice...if anything, the only change Google has done in the past few years is becoming a faceless corporation, shredding any and all pretention of "social justice" it might have ever held (which I don't think it ever did).
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    • #3
      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
      Has anyone else noticed a decline in the quality of Google products since it became an icon of social justice. I understand correlation is not causation but...
      Yes.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Karri View Post
        Which products are you talking about? I only use Gmail, Google and Google Docs, and all of those work as good as ever. I don't know where you got the image that Google is an icon of social justice...if anything, the only change Google has done in the past few years is becoming a faceless corporation, shredding any and all pretention of "social justice" it might have ever held (which I don't think it ever did).
        In this case I think pretensions have the same organizational consequences as actual commitment to the ideology. Of course to lesser degree as full commitment but of the same kind.

        I think you may have, and it is fair to do, assumed that I was not using social justice in the derogatory sense the term has taken on because of unhinged and inconsistent progressives. I'm going to assume you would not make a distinction between the kind of social justice advocated by progressives and the more realistic view of social justice that would be represented by civil rights advocates in the past. That's fine, I don't think we will ever agree on the significance of the distinction.

        ​​​​If had anything other than a subjective opinion on which products are not as reliable as they once were I would offer it in another sub forum. This thread was just to see if I was crazy and imagining it.

        There is of course the fact that as complexity increases the more likely a system is to fail. There is also evidence that competency is generally declining. But that is a subject for another day.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Karri View Post
          Which products are you talking about? I only use Gmail, Google and Google Docs, and all of those work as good as ever.
          I use Google Translate and Google Calendar, they work great. I would stop using Gmail altogether but still have an acct in case some sites insist on a Gmail acct, like YouTube.



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          • #6
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post

            In this case I think pretensions have the same organizational consequences as actual commitment to the ideology. Of course to lesser degree as full commitment but of the same kind.
            I find that somewhat doubtful, it's pretty clear that Google's only mission is to make money, something they are pretty good at.

            I think you may have, and it is fair to do, assumed that I was not using social justice in the derogatory sense the term has taken on because of unhinged and inconsistent progressives. I'm going to assume you would not make a distinction between the kind of social justice advocated by progressives and the more realistic view of social justice that would be represented by civil rights advocates in the past. That's fine, I don't think we will ever agree on the significance of the distinction.
            Your assumption is wrong, I'm well aware of both definitions of the term. In both cases Google is no way invested or interested, beyond lip service that serves their marketing aims. No different than any other company out there. I'd go as far as saying that pretty much everyone is aware of the significance of the distinction.

            f had anything other than a subjective opinion on which products are not as reliable as they once were I would offer it in another sub forum. This thread was just to see if I was crazy and imagining it.
            But do elaborate which products you are talking about. They (I think the main company is called Alphabet these days) are invested in quite an array of products...the ones I am using are, in general, improving. Though the search engine is starting to be a bit too full of ads, it's general functionality is improving as well. Android isn't bad either, in fact pretty much the only competitor to Apple products.

            There is of course the fact that as complexity increases the more likely a system is to fail. There is also evidence that competency is generally declining. But that is a subject for another day.
            I'd say size plays a significant role as well. I think we are in the verge of some kind of change in this field (might Google disappear just like Altavista, AskJeeves and others did?), though there are puzzle pieces that need to fall in place. The current problem with anything internet based is the fact that everything is pretty much an ad (but then, when in human history everything hasn't been about selling). This stems from the fact that pretty much everything on internet is "free to consume", yet needs to generate money in some form.

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            • #7
              A recent Google update wiped my phone, Android is starting to feel like a Microsoft product. Like I say I may just be overreacting but Google search doesn't seem as reliable as it once was either.
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              • #8
                It is getting very glitchy, maybe due to Gmail being the throw-away mail address of the world.

                Maybe if they broke it up into a bunch of different things it would work most smoothly? World's biggest Searh Engine, YouTube, Mail, and all the rest.... what one company could keep all of that going smoothly?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Phaing View Post
                  It is getting very glitchy, maybe due to Gmail being the throw-away mail address of the world.

                  Maybe if they broke it up into a bunch of different things it would work most smoothly? World's biggest Searh Engine, YouTube, Mail, and all the rest.... what one company could keep all of that going smoothly?
                  I have always said that was Microsoft's excuse, the one size fits all is going to get very complicated.
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                  • #10
                    Anyone read the "Google Archipelago" by Michael Rectenwald?
                    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W72YKGP...s%2C290&sr=1-1

                    people say it's worth to be paid attention to.
                    "Keep Calm. Use Less X's"

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                    • #11
                      While totalitarian Marxism failed as state organization, it has succeeded as the Google Archipelago which systematically imposes globalist, identity-politics, gender-pluralist, transgender, anti-toxic-masculinist, anti-cisgender, anti-family, anti-nativist, anti-conventionalist, and anti-traditionalist leftism, blocking people and ideas that do not conform, making non-persons and non-facts of them. The ever expanding Big Digital acts governmentally, but its subjects have no rights, and no alternatives. Rectenwald shows how we are being carried along to our fate as prisoners of Google Marxism, or totalitarian corporate socialism, which is arriving as a fait accompli with no votes from us and no means to dissent. Don t say you haven t been warned.
                      -- Philip Carl Salzman, Emeritus Professor of Anthropology, McGill University
                      Sounds like an average post on the NA board here,

                      think I'll wait for the movie
                      Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                      Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dmf01 View Post
                        Anyone read the "Google Archipelago" by Michael Rectenwald?
                        https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W72YKGP...s%2C290&sr=1-1

                        people say it's worth to be paid attention to.
                        Sounds like a good tip, thanks!

                        I hope the person who came up with the title, if not the author, was well-compensated, that's a hell of a catchy title!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dmf01 View Post
                          Anyone read the "Google Archipelago" by Michael Rectenwald?
                          https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07W72YKGP...s%2C290&sr=1-1

                          people say it's worth to be paid attention to.
                          Probably because most people are idiots. I’m not sure what the strange fascination the USA has with Marxism, but I do know nobody there would recognise one if they bit you on the bum. Asking to remove the foot from my face doesn’t make me a Marxist; it makes me a person that doesn’t want a foot on my face.
                          Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

                          That's right bitches. I'm blessed!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rojik View Post

                            Probably because most people are idiots. I’m not sure what the strange fascination the USA has with Marxism, but I do know nobody there would recognise one if they bit you on the bum. Asking to remove the foot from my face doesn’t make me a Marxist; it makes me a person that doesn’t want a foot on my face.
                            It makes you a friggin libertarian. Not a trace of marxism. And, yes, for a number of years I find myself trying to agree with an idea of living in an ideocratic world.
                            I was about to buy this book but preferred to buy some good vinyl records instead. Still I'm sure the book is worth reading and would provide a good service even for those who'd disagree.
                            Last edited by dmf01; 10 May 20, 22:16.
                            "Keep Calm. Use Less X's"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                              A recent Google update wiped my phone, Android is starting to feel like a Microsoft product. Like I say I may just be overreacting but Google search doesn't seem as reliable as it once was either.
                              I stopped using Google as a search engine a long time ago due to its consistent failure to find what I was looking for reliably, while inundating me with ads and commercial sites. Key words like "free" are totally ignored. I find Bing and Firefox to be far superior.

                              I date the decline of Google to the infamous Chinese debacle.

                              As for commercialization being the root of all evil, Amazon is thriving on it and is delivering quality simultaneously.
                              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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