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  • #16
    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    It costs about three times that in the UK.

    Fortunately your mother in law’s dog died quickly, as did ours last year. I know of multiple dogs that have taken 20 minutes or more to go because of incompetent vets.
    Or they die in agony at home because people cannot afford the merciful path. A lot of talk here about all the training and skill of a vet, but it takes no skill whatsoever to kill an animal.

    My mother-in-law is not only elderly, but lost her husband years ago and successfully fought off breast cancer. I happen to think she deserves better out of life that to used to pay off some clown's school bills.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

      "Obnoxious"? A personal insult rather than an intelligent comment? Well, now we know where you;re coming from, don't we?

      I'm not there to pay off his college debt. I'm there to find mercy and compassion for a loyal, loving dying companion of my mother-in-law. The vet chose his profession with full knowledge of what his debt would be. You sound like a socialist.

      BTW - Pentobarb is not a proprietary drug and hasn't been for along time. According to your logic, hospitals really need to charge ten dollars or more for an aspirin tablet and fifty dollars for a simple dressing you can buy cheaply at Walgreens. And if you actually believe that those charges are valid, you're living in a fantasy world.

      You also deliberately overlooked my comment that prior to their change in service philosophy, the Humane Society did it for a fraction of the cost. And you totally ignored the human emotional cost to the owner, an elderly lady on a fixed income. She doesn't have that kind of extra money in her life, but that's OK to you because her real obligation is to pay off a college debt she never incurred.

      It's to bad I retired from medicine; I would love to have you for a patient...just once.
      Funny MM, you tell Achtung Baby, that he "sounds like a socialist", while complaining that the cheapest Vet you could find charged you $152 USD to put down your mother-in-law's just under 5 pound dog, and bemoaning "The publicly funded Humane Shelter no longer offers that service, which cost a a mere $30, mostly to cover cremation cost"? It sounds to me like there could be some hypocrisy involved here, no? Unless of course you fully share that socialist ethic, and found something you have in common.

      It also appears to me that it's too bad that you retired so completely from medicine, because with all your medical knowledge and experience it would have taken little thought and effort on your part to figure out a human emotional and financial cost easing, compassionate, painless method of euthanasia to put down a poor suffering chihuahua for alot less than $152 USD.
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      - Groot

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      • #18
        Apparently it’s ok to emotionally blackmail everyone and carry a sense of entitlement that everything should be affordable.
        "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
        Ernest Hemingway.

        In english "silence" means yelling louder than everyone else.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

          You're obviously not a pet person, nor a compassionate one.
          I've had dogs all my life. My daughter wants a pet rat. That'll happen next year.
          I just don't like small yappy dogs and I really can't stand people who treat their small dogs like they are children.
          My dog of 14 years died earlier this year. Her heart meds cost E90 a month. My vet charged E20 a visit. The cost to have her put down and cremated was E110. That rose to E200 if I wanted the ashes back. Drugs are no cheaper here although college fees are much lower.
          "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
          validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
          "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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          • #20
            Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
            Funny how the supposedly liberal empathetic people have no problem looking out for their own interests first. Poor people are the tax payers problem not their own.

            The cost of health care, including veterinarian care, continues to inflate as wages stagnate. The ignorant liberal masses despite personal educational achievement seem totally unaware of the natural law of supply and demand. As medical services become more sophisticated and effective demand is bound to increase. What keep health care affordable in the past was how ineffective it was and how little it depended on technology. Technology is expensive when it cannot take advantage of mass production as is the case with medical care. The more effective medical care becomes the more demand and the supply cannot increase if it is socialized. One way or the other it will be rationed either through absurd waiting periods or affordability. Empathy especially the shallow political variety is no substitute for rational solutions.

            That said there is no excuse for the lack of personal empathy displayed by some of the above comments. As I have said before personal and public morality are two different animals. On a personal level we are obligated to act in the present but in matters of public interest cold logic and long term solutions that exclude normal unreasoning empathy are often called for. What is hypocritical is selective empathy and politically motivated empathy.
            The cost of R&D is high but the manufacturing costs for healthcare technology has never been lower. Expensive capital equipment should be run a minimum of 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. The problem in the healthcare industry is that doctors think that the rules shouldn't apply to them and that they should be very rich, although the more general problem of very inefficient processes within the entire sector is probably the biggest factor.
            Technology has dramatically reduced the cost of things like heart and hernia surgeries and better imaging technology has also decreased the cost of many other treatments. Specific things such as nuclear medicine require very expensive capital investment but they greatly reduce the cost of cancer treatments (while generating much better outcomes).
            Blaming technology for high healthcare costs just deflects from the real issues; the healthcare industry (and it is an industry) is structurally inefficient and the people in it are no more or less greedy, lazy, dishonest, selfist etc as anyone else.
            "The thing about quotes on the internet is that you cannot confirm their
            validity." - Abraham Lincoln.
            "Nothing's going to change while one side it lying about the cause and the other is lying about the solution" - Me

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            • #21
              Hey MM I know how you feel. Not so much the cost, though that should be on a sliding scale as to ability to pay, but the feelings one has when putting down an old friend. When we take on the responsibility of a pet we are literally taking its life in our hands-they depend on us almost totally. I too, had the awful job of bringing my old friends as well as those of my mother-in-law to be euthanized. Fortunately I have a vet (she'll soon retire though) who is not only compassionate for her patient but for the patient's owner as well. It's a tough job but I firmly believe, and you can tell this to your mother-in-law as well, that when we die we get all our furry buddies back and we can actually communicate with them. It's just a comforting fable, I know, but it's a nice thought.
              And for those of you who have the opinion that 'It's just a dog' remember that when you die you could come back as a flea.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                (….)
                And for those of you who have the opinion that 'It's just a dog' remember that when you die you could come back as a flea.
                Then keeping a dog around the house becomes all the more important
                High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                  Then keeping a dog around the house becomes all the more important
                  Not if you come back as a rabbit flea
                  Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                  Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by slick24 View Post
                    .22 bullets are cheap and painless if administered correctly
                    True. It was a common practice in most rural areas to end the suffering of an old, crippled, or badly injured domesticated animal. For an old hunting dog, it was called taking them out on their last hunt. Unfortunately, putting down any animal by that method is likely to get you arrested on animal cruelty and weapon discharge charges in most locations.

                    I have to agree, the cost at the vet has gone through the roof. More so, when they have to come out to end the suffering of a horse or pony. Then there is the additional cost of burial which is getting to be impossible thanks to local zoning laws on the disposal of the dead animal. You cannot place them in the trash pickup or even find a rendering business that will come to pick up the body.

                    Even if that animal dies a natural death, disposal can be a royal pain. A dead pony cost a farmer friend of mine over $40,000 in lawyer's fees, lost of several seized dairy cows due to improper feeding of them, he got them back weeks later, and a trashed house thanks to an Animal Rights Activist that saw the dead pony in the field before he was able to borrow a backhoe for burial. Having to put down an old horse on News Years Day, using a vet, I had to keep him covered with a tarp until I was able to hire a backhoe for burial a day later. Even then, I had to deal with a snoop a year later that had asked a construction company working on parkland if they had buried a pony at my place. After dealing with their nonsense several years later, a stockade fence is now blocking their view of the paddock from the road.
                    Last edited by SRV Ron; 08 Oct 19, 07:58.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      The publicly funded Humane Shelter no longer offers that service, which cost a a mere $30, mostly to cover cremation cost.
                      Why did the Humane Society in your area discontinue euthanasia service?
                      "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                      "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Persephone View Post

                        Why did the Humane Society in your area discontinue euthanasia service?
                        Probably because they couldn't do it for $30 anymore...

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