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    Who is the greatest gun designer in history?

    For the sheer variety of designs and the longevity of use I would have to vote for John Moses Browning. The designer of:

    -Colt M1911 .45ACP pistol
    -Browning BAR .30 automatic rifle
    -Browning M1917 .30 machine gun
    -Browning M1919 M2 .50 heavy machine gun
    -Browning Hi-power 9mm pistol

    These are just the military arms. For civilian use he also designed:

    -Colt .25ACP pistol
    -Colt .32ACP pistol
    -Browning Auto Shotgun
    Lance W.

    Peace through superior firepower.

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    Pretty impressive considering, with the exception of the BAR, virtually all of those military weapons are still in use.

    Other candidates would have to be Kalashnikov and possibly Stoner.

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    • #3
      I would vote for Eugene Stoner. He designed some pretty revolutionary weapon systems and also designed the M-16 system that is still in use.

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      • #4
        IMHO, designing the M-16 is not cause for accolades. M-1, yes. M-14, yes. I have NEVER met an infantryman with a good thing to say about the M-16. I expect that many will rejoice when the M-16 fades into oblivion.
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        (The Mind Is The Key To Victory)

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        • #5
          That may have been true of it's early years, but is it still true today?

          The M14 wasn't a bad weapon, but it was really too big and heavy for the modern army. I distinctly recall reading the airborne wanted to get rid of it because it was too heavy. They didn't like the M16 for it's replacement, but they didn't like the M14 either.

          I recently saw a documentary where they had Kalashnikov and Stoner talking about their designs together. It was mentioned that the AR15 was designed to use a special powder. When the army got ahold of it, they, in their wisdom, used the same old powder they'd used in all their weapons previously. Apparently, this caused some (not all, I guess) of the early jamming problems. This is what the docu said, anyway.

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          • #6
            Not only the different powder but also the recievers were not plated like they should have been. The ammo needed to be exceptionaly clean or the M-16 would jam. At least thats what I heard from some of the vets I know.

            Personaly I think that the .223 cartridge is a little underpowered but then again I have never been one to "spray and pray".

            As for greatest designer Browning I would say. Even though Furgeson (sp?) was quite revolutionary with his breach loading rifle. And that was about the time of the Revolutionary War.

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            • #7
              Heckler & Koch.

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              • #8
                Gerald Bull. He made 'em big.
                Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Coldfiregod
                  Not only the different powder but also the recievers were not plated like they should have been. The ammo needed to be exceptionaly clean or the M-16 would jam. At least thats what I heard from some of the vets I know.

                  Personaly I think that the .223 cartridge is a little underpowered but then again I have never been one to "spray and pray".

                  As for greatest designer Browning I would say. Even though Furgeson (sp?) was quite revolutionary with his breach loading rifle. And that was about the time of the Revolutionary War.
                  Patrick Ferguson's breech loading flintlock rifle is arguably the most revolutionary weapon that was NOT adopted in large numbers. If the British had produced it in larger numbers there might not be a United States today.
                  It had accuracy that rivaled the Pennsylvania/Kentucky rifle, rate of fire near to a Brown Bess, plus it had the advantage over either that it could be loaded from a prone position.
                  If 10,000 instead of 100 had been made the British would have been near unbeatable with the level of training/drill their regulars possessed.
                  The outcome of the Revolutionary War could also easily have changed if Ferguson had fewer scruples. He had a clear shot at General Washington from about 200 yards (a range at which he was quite proficient) at the Battle of Brandywine, but declined to take it as he considered it an "ungentlemanly act" to act as a sniper. IF he had done this the fame his weapon would have garnered would surely have led to more being produced. As it was his company of riflemen where disbanded and his technological leap forward faded into history.
                  Lance W.

                  Peace through superior firepower.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hogdriver
                    IMHO, designing the M-16 is not cause for accolades. M-1, yes. M-14, yes. I have NEVER met an infantryman with a good thing to say about the M-16. I expect that many will rejoice when the M-16 fades into oblivion.
                    I would have to agree that Garand's contribution was more revolutionary than Stoner, but both would fall a level below Browning.
                    Lance W.

                    Peace through superior firepower.

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                    • #11
                      Garrand and Mauser

                      I would have to say john candis Garand was the best gun designer in History, or at least in 20th century history.

                      I would also say Peter and Paul Mauser
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                      • #12
                        Colt...........when he teamed up with Walker to make the Walker Colt (only 1000)..........the gun really changed American history.
                        Winchester.................
                        I have a .45 Paraordnance..........its a decent handgun.
                        Universally.........Kalashnikov......with the AK.

                        Mark
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                        Si vis pacem, para bellum. (If you want peace, prepare for war.)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tigersqn
                          Gerald Bull. He made 'em big.
                          Absolutely. Gerald Bull is the man.

                          The GHN-45 is a superior cannon system, with increase range and lethality to anything any NATO country uses and the super-cannon he built for Saddam (and the others he built for the Canadian and US governments) nail him down.

                          Gerald Bull. No doubt about it.
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                          • #14
                            How about the man that started the machine gun craze, Sir Hiram Maxim. The American born British inventor.
                            Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speakup and remove all doubt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by last_cav1971
                              Colt...........when he teamed up with Walker to make the Walker Colt (only 1000)..........the gun really changed American history.
                              Winchester.................
                              I have a .45 Paraordnance..........its a decent handgun.
                              Universally.........Kalashnikov......with the AK.

                              Mark
                              Deo Vindice
                              I'd agree Colt was a very influential designer. The Walker Colt being the first "magnum" pistol. It was produced in far greater numbers than just 1000 units. I think you may be mistaking it for the original Paterson Colt .36 caliber that Col. Walker was its most famous user. That is the gun that inspired Walker to ask Colt to make a .44 caliber version of his repeater.

                              However, Browning made a far more diverse collection of weapons all of which were excellent (including designing the M1911 that Colt and later Para-Ordinance produced).

                              Colt's attempts at long arms were far less sucessfull than his pistols, partly because he tried to use the same basic technology he'd used for his pistols. Browning used many different pinciples in his designs.

                              Kalashnikov contribution is very obvious, but once again it was a single basic design.
                              Lance W.

                              Peace through superior firepower.

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