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  • Best General in History (Old Poll)

    Here is our poll to determine once and for all who is the best General of ALL time! Well, maybe it won't be the definitive work :P

    The trick to this poll is that you must select 5 Generals who you believe are the top 5 in this list. I realize there are many excellent generals of all eras that don't show up in this list...but I do believe that the top 5 generals of all time are within that list. It is up to you (the readership) to pull those generals out!

    So, get to selecting!

    Here are some helpful promos of each general/leader and what they did for history. You can use it as a voting aid

    Alexander the Great http://www.pothos.org/alexander.asp?...tle=Battles%20(Major)
    Julius Caesar http://heraklia.fws1.com/battles/Index.html
    Genghis Khan http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CHEMPIRE/YUAN.HTM
    Napoleon Bonaparte http://www.napoleonguide.com/leaders_napoleon.htm
    Scipio Africanus - http://ragz-international.com/scipio_africanus.htm
    George S Patton Jr http://www.generalpatton.com/biography.html
    Hannibal Barca http://www.livius.org/ha-hd/hannibal/hannibal.html
    Erich von Manstein http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERmanstein.htm
    Charlemange http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis...EROR%20CHARLES
    William T Sherman http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/sherman.htm
    Robert E. Lee http://www.civilwarhome.com/leebio.htm
    Erwin Rommel http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen1.htm
    Atilla the Hun http://www.realm-of-shade.com/zarathustra/attila.html
    U. S. Grant http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/ea/bios/18pgran.html
    Zhukov http://worldatwar.net/biography/z/zhukov/
    Dwight Eisenhower http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/ea/bios/34peise.html
    Bernard Montgomery http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmontgomery.htm

    EDIT: Added Monty as there were only a few votes submitted so far.
    1
    Scipio Africanus
    0.00%
    0
    Julius Caesar
    0.00%
    0
    William T Sherman
    0.00%
    0
    Robert E. Lee
    0.00%
    0
    Genghis Khan
    0.00%
    0
    George S Patton Jr
    0.00%
    0
    Charlemagne
    0.00%
    0
    Napoleon Bonaparte
    100.00%
    1
    Atilla the Hun
    0.00%
    0
    Alexander the Great
    0.00%
    0
    Hannibal Barca
    0.00%
    0
    U. S. Grant
    0.00%
    0
    Georgi Zhukov
    0.00%
    0
    Erich von Manstein
    0.00%
    0
    Erwin Rommel
    0.00%
    0
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    0.00%
    0
    Bernard Montgomery
    0.00%
    0
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  • #2
    Ok, I know you said the list wasn't definitive, but...

    3000+ years of history and what do we get? 5 american generals, from the last 150 years, out of a total of 16 choices? C'mon.

    Part of the mandate of this site should be to educate people about history. With all due respect to my american friends, Patton is not even the best general in World War 2, much less all of history. There are other questionable inclusions as well.

    Again, I apologize, but the list is a little dissapointing.

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    • #3
      Just to mention some Hungarian (one of them fought in the American civil war):

      Józef Bem (Polish) defeated the Austrian -Russian forces in 1848-49
      Görgey Artúr defeated Austrian in 1848-49
      Hunyadi Mátyás defeated Austrian in 1485
      Hunyadi János defeated the Turkish 1456

      and others: Zrínyi Miklós, Árpád vezér, etc.

      And I did not find any WWI, and a lot of French-German war, so few Brits (if any), etc...


      However I know how hard to make a comprehensive list and I know your target audience USA. I propose find the best USA general, and everybody will be happy
      a brain cell

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      • #4
        Again, I realize the futility of selecting generals from all of history and trying to condense them into this list. These are taken from the lists generated by readers in the other "best generals" thread, along with some staff nominations. It is not meant to be scientific :whistle:
        Our forefathers died to give us freedom, not free stuff.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DingBat
          Ok, I know you said the list wasn't definitive, but...

          3000+ years of history and what do we get? 5 american generals, from the last 150 years, out of a total of 16 choices? C'mon.
          Good point. Drop Lee, Sherman, Patton, and Eisenhower. Grant is the only one worth keeping.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chuck
            Good point. Drop Lee, Sherman, Patton, and Eisenhower. Grant is the only one worth keeping.
            Although I would admit I'm far from being knowledgeable about the US Civil War, didn't Grant pull a Zhuckov by mounting repeated hammer blows at confederate fortifications?
            Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brian King
              Again, I realize the futility of selecting generals from all of history and trying to condense them into this list. These are taken from the lists generated by readers in the other "best generals" thread, along with some staff nominations. It is not meant to be scientific :whistle:
              So why don't you do it for each major period ? The best general of antiquity, the best general of 20th century...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LaPalice
                So why don't you do it for each major period ? The best general of antiquity, the best general of 20th century...

                LaPalice.
                Makes sense. Ancient, medieval, Napoleanic, modern?

                It also helps to define what "best" means. Comparing a general of the mechanized era to one in the age of hoplites is difficult without some frame of reference.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tigersqn
                  Although I would admit I'm far from being knowledgeable about the US Civil War, didn't Grant pull a Zhuckov by mounting repeated hammer blows at confederate fortifications?
                  He got his men slaughtered at Cold Harbor, if that's what you mean. Still he was the nearest thing they had to a modern general back then. Everyone else was still at Waterloo.

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                  • #10
                    I understand all the concerns about time periods and I know it is hard to compare the exploits of Scipio Africanus to US Grant.

                    However, this is a companion piece to our feature article on Patton in issue I where the question arises "Was Patton the best general of all time?" That is why Patton will remain in the list :P

                    What makes a general "the best?" It is a combination of competance, innovative tactics, influence on the outcome of their respective campaigns, and their effect on subsequent history. Once again I realize this is not perfect but remember you are only picking the top 5 and I am confident that despite everything, the top 5 generals of all time can be found in that list. Just ignore the others!



                    Later, we can break down eras to get more of an apples to apples set of comparisons.
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                    • #11
                      My 'to do' list would frighten an work-obsessed insomniac, but I have a series of polls planned, based on era, geographical location, etc, that I am hoping to complete soon. I could certainly use some help from people that are knowledgeable about certain era, conflicts, etc.

                      Look for the occassional post from me concerning this in the future!
                      "When I am abroad I always make it a rule never to criticize or attack the Government of my country. I make up for lost time when I am at home."

                      Winston Churchill

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                      • #12
                        keep those votes coming guys....we want to publish the results in the 2nd issue of the magazine but we need more votes!
                        Publisher
                        Armchair General Magazine
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Keef
                          keep those votes coming guys....we want to publish the results in the 2nd issue of the magazine but we need more votes!
                          Just add two zeros behind each number!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chuck
                            Just add two zeros behind each number!
                            A good one .

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                            • #15
                              First off Lee may not have won the civil war but come on, he was out manned, he held a larger army who was better equipped off for like three years(i dont think he took command untill '62 right?), Grant won but he didnt out general Lee. Lee was a grate general and Grant was an acholic who charged head first and didnt stop.(NO TACTIC, just a charge). Sherman was any four letter word you care to say.
                              Where is Stonewall????? If he had lived the south would have won. I suppose it will come as no suprise to you that I think Patton was a great general HE WON NORTH AFRICA. I have family members who served under Patton and I'll tell you who they think is the best general in WWII.
                              Oh, and in my opinion Napoleon was only a so-so general in the ultimate sceam of history.

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