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  • A War on Christmas?

    One thing I have heard repeatedly in the past few years (and last week in my Christian Theology class) was about how Hollywood/Corporate America/Terrorists/Liberal Hippies were waging a war against Christmas.

    Some of the most extreme arguments were even against Santa Claus! But most seemed to center around things like saying 'Happy Holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas', and things like nativity scenes on government property. And so, I decided to ask you guys if you thing there is such a war being waged.

    For me personally, I could't care less if someone says Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. I know I use Merry Christmas, but I understand the logic behind a company wanting to keep from making someone feel uncomfortable. Likewise, I never feel offended by Nativity scenes. But the logic behind not wanting to offend people (and the whole 'seperation of church and state' thing) makes sense to me too.

    So, what do you guys think? Is there a war on X-mas?

    I bet it's a cold war! *Ba-dum* Tish!

    27
    Yes, there is a war on Christmas.
    62.96%
    17
    Sometimes/maybe there is one.
    18.52%
    5
    No, there is no war on Christmas.
    18.52%
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  • #2
    Happy holidays bullshit. It's Christmas. That's why it's a holiday. That's what it's been for a good thousands years and more. CHRISTMAS, not 'holidays'.
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    • #3
      Easily offended spoilsports and crybabies should stay home.
      I am religeously neutral, leaning to bhuddism, but Xmas is OK by me.
      I am offended by sales based on holidays.
      The way things are going in society almost makes me glad I'm at the far end of my life.

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      • #4
        All those that don't want the holiday celebrated should make sure they go to work Dec 25. I people were as concerned about themselves as they are about other people, it would be a better world.
        If you can't set a good example, be a glaring warning.

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        • #5
          I like Christmas and think it should be celebrated fully in the countries that have it regardless of what minorities think. I hate the commercialism though but hey, there's nothing like corporate greed to cheapen and minimize almost anything. As to a 'War on Christmas'...naah. They can't influence what I do in my own home and that's where Christmas really takes place...not in the department stores nor the grounds of government buildings but in homes and hearts.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Miss.Saigon
            Yes. In the name of "Separation of Church and State" (Words the constitution does not use), there is an attempt to eliminate the religious element to Christmas in anything affiliated with the public property or public events.

            Most federal government offices are prohibited from having a "Christmas" party. It must be a holiday party if one is had at all. Public buildings of any kind, Schools, offices, fire department, etc are routinely under pressure to remove any religious symbols from Christmas decorations and events.

            We have all heard of the more famous cases like airports removing Christmas trees and things like that, but the same kind of thing is going on with the minutia of Christmas every year. Obviously some jurisdictions are more aggressive in these things than others, but it is happening.

            Given the heated debates we have here over Christianity I don't know why anyone would be surprised about this.

            War may not be the right word, but it is a perennial legal battle going on in the courts.
            MERRY CHRISTMAS! HO! HO! HO!Now watch the PC Police arrest me and burn down my Christmas Tree!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by daemonofdecay View Post
              One thing I have heard repeatedly in the past few years (and last week in my Christian Theology class) was about how Hollywood/Corporate America/Terrorists/Liberal Hippies were waging a war against Christmas.
              If there is a war on Christmas, Christmas is winning.

              Friggin' Christmas decorations BEFORE Thanksgiving.

              Christmas is now a 2 month long sales campaign. Just the way Bill O'Lielly likes it.

              Tim
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              • #8
                Originally posted by armor11 View Post
                If there is a war on Christmas, Christmas is winning.

                Friggin' Christmas decorations BEFORE Thanksgiving.

                Christmas is now a 2 month long sales campaign. Just the way Bill O'Lielly likes it.

                Tim
                Last year, it was a dead heat! Fortunately, the consumers put the pressure on the big department stores and they finally relented, putting "Merry Christmas" signs up in every store window.
                "Profanity is but a linguistic crutch for illiterate motherbleepers"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by armor11 View Post
                  If there is a war on Christmas, Christmas is winning.

                  Friggin' Christmas decorations BEFORE Thanksgiving.

                  Christmas is now a 2 month long sales campaign. Just the way Bill O'Lielly likes it.

                  Tim
                  That's part of the GWoC.
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                  • #10
                    Christmas is a consumerist farce that has lost any sense of meaning.

                    But it's still "Christmas"
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                    • #11
                      Nah, all the other holidays are equal opportunity exploited/abused too, so I can't say it's a "war on Christmas" per se.

                      Maybe it's a "war on religious holidays" instead.

                      After all, what is Easter for? Chocolate bunnies?

                      Or does it even need to be holidays with a religious angle?

                      What's with Halloween? Is it about the date, or just a reason to get goodies?

                      Valentines is quite the event. Damned if you're a couple, damned if you're not.

                      Father's Day, hey, ain't I special all year long?

                      National Birthdays, is it to celebrate your nation? Or just so you get a long weekend?

                      I'm just waiting for the politico types to come up with the idea that if we shorten months to 3 weeks each, we can then have more months in a year, which means more chances to insert a long weekend that month, and use it as a means to inventing another commercial event. Buy stuff buy stuff buy stuff, because when you spend money on things, they can get taxes from it.
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                      • #12
                        I don't think it's so much a war on Christmas as it is a marketing mechanism striving not to offend anyone and, thus, get their dollars. We (Western society) have become aware that there are indeed other holidays around this time of year besides Christmas and that those who prefer to celebrate those holidays instead have money that looks and smells just like our real money. Thus, if they feel offended because my store says "Merry Christmas", they might instead choose to spend their money at the store across the street with the sign reading "Happy Festivus".

                        I heard where a hardware mega-store was chided for advertising "Family Trees" in one of their advertising circulars... that's just plain ridiculous. If you're identifying with an emblem of a particular holiday, call it what it is. If you're trying to appeal to as many consumers as possible, be as generic as possible.

                        I find, though, that "Happy Holidays" is a nice solution. It's basically saying, "Hey, maybe you and I believe different things, and I don't want to argue about who's right just now; either way, I hope you are able to spend some quality time this season with the people you love."

                        That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Karri View Post
                          It's Christmas. That's why it's a holiday. That's what it's been for a good thousands years and more.
                          Careful with that... Hanukkah has been around longer than Christmas, you know.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ivan Rapkinov View Post
                            Christmas is a consumerist farce that has lost any sense of meaning.

                            But it's still "Christmas"
                            I disagree. It is what your family makes of it. We get a few gifts for each other and put up a few decorations in our house, but we focus on the reason for the season...the birth of Jesus Christ.

                            Many can debate His position as Son of God, but he DID live, and that is what we are celebrating. Even if you don't believe he was what is claimed, his position as a wise teacher in history really isn't disputed. Unfortunately, those who hate religion and Christianity focus on this.

                            This gives me an idea for a new thread...

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                            • #15
                              Why is it the KKK can acquire a permit to rally outside a courthouse, but a Christmas tree in the same location is considered controversial?
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