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    This is from Fox New's very own Bill O'Reilly. I want to see what you guys from outside the US think about this. Personally I think it's garbage.


    By Bill O'Reilly

    The USA dominating at the Olympics, but why?

    By airtime this evening, the USA had won 71 Olympic medals, followed by China with 51, and Russia with 48. America is dominating the games. And I think I know the reason why.

    Increasingly, the USA is becoming a nation of achievers and non-achievers. Those who are motivated and disciplined can succeed in a huge way.

    We are the most powerful nation in the history of the world. And individual Americans are the reason why. Unlike China, which has five times as many people as America, all our Olympic training is privately funded. Our athletes are subjected to intense competition from a very young age, but that competition is voluntary. Nobody here is forced to do anything.

    Totalitarian regimes are able to motivate athletes as we saw in the old Soviet Union. As long as you perform well, you live well. Fail, and it's back to the harsh life.

    But here in the USA, our athletes have to motivate themselves. And that's why this country has been successful. Many Americans will suffer the pain of hard work to achieve their potential. And hard work always wins.

    In other countries, the emphasis on self-reliance has been beaten down by nanny states and entitlement cultures. Just take a look at Australia and Canada, for example. The Aussies have 20 million people to draw from. Canada has 30 million. Yet the Aussies have 35 Olympic medals, Canada just five.

    "Talking Points" believes this is reflective of the systems in those countries. Australia is a place where self-reliance is emphasized and competition is celebrated. Canada has become increasingly socialistic, as big government programs ensure everyone is marginally taken care of. I may be wrong here, but I see the entitlement culture as a force against self-discipline and motivation.

    Americans should be very proud of our Olympic people, and we largely are. Politicians could learn a lot from the competitive forces that have resulted in our success. We are a great nation because individual Americans have worked insanely hard to develop their God-given abilities. I'm one of them, and you probably are as well.

    Together, we the people have demonstrated to the world that freedom and achievement are a matched set. The USA dominates in technology, science, higher education, the arts, and in protecting the oppressed of the world. We are a strong country because of individual achievement.

    We need to keep emphasizing personal responsibility and discipline. If we do, we'll get even stronger. If we don't, the specter of a decadent Western Europe beckons. Congratulations to our Olympic athletes. And that's the memo
    "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

    George W. Bush

  • #2
    I think Australia and Canada, or at least the western provinces are pretty similar in lifestyle and outlook.

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    • #3
      I gotta agree with Lt Dan. It is garbage.

      I just can't stand that kind of self-righteous chest-pounding.
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      • #4
        i always had the idea it is because the US is good at athletics....anyway..the article is garbage. reminds me of ubermensch propagande
        Last edited by screamer; 28 Aug 04, 07:31.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          We are the most powerful nation in the history of the world.
          Maybe there should be less time spent on the athletics field and more in the classrooms if this sort of statement is going to be made with a straight face. I am sure that Alexander The Great, The Romans, and even Great Britain (in the 'good old days') might have had a few things to say about this!

          I admit that 13 carrier groups (or is it 14 now, so hard to keep count) is pretty impressive but at least the above would have been able to invade Afghanistan and Iraq and not made a hash of it!

          Interestingly (and also because it makes us look good ) on TV here in Oz during the Olympics they show a breakup of the /per gold's for things like money spent on training and population etc... and when one looks at it this way the US, China, Russia etc are really not doing that well at all... When it comes to money spent the US is about bottom and when it is by population they are at least above India etc.

          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          Totalitarian regimes are able to motivate athletes as we saw in the old Soviet Union. As long as you perform well, you live well. Fail, and it's back to the harsh life.
          This rhetoric is cute, but when i see how many African-Americans or Hispanics are doing well in the various events i wonder just how true this is? Not many of them (and i might add there seem to be few Rhodes Scholars amoungst the Caucasian too) act nor speak like they are privaleged, so where doews the money come from?

          To get any College educaton in the US one must be super-rich, super smart, an athlete or in the army... I see little difference between this and the old USSR and the current China, it is just that the 'poverty' baseline is set higher in the US

          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          The Aussies have 20 million people to draw from. Canada has 30 million. Yet the Aussies have 35 Olympic medals, Canada just five.
          The Aussies are Sports mad and also have the benefit of a Nationally sponsored training facility "The Australian Institute of Sport".

          We also made a conscious decision to do it 'drug-free' at a time when that was competative suicide and we support our athletes as soon as they have finished their career so they know that will not be forgotten and relying on soup-kitchens.

          This is not at all a shot at Canada, nor even the US... though it is interesting that it is one country that has fought strongly against drug testing in some sports. But one only needs to look at the fall from the top by Russia to see what 'doing it clean' can cost.

          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          Australia is a place where self-reliance is emphasized and competition is celebrated.
          No we just are mad about sport and have a lot of opportunities due to a lot of space (as opposed to most Europeans Nations for instance) and an awareness from the goverment that Sport is essential for all children

          Oh, dont forget that it is hot or at least nice enough to go outside almost all year here!

          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          Canada has become increasingly socialistic, as big government programs ensure everyone is marginally taken care of. I may be wrong here, but I see the entitlement culture as a force against self-discipline and motivation.
          Lucky Canada, and naturally he is wrong.
          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          Together, we the people have demonstrated to the world that freedom and achievement are a matched set.
          Hello... forgotten about Iraq and Guantanamo Bay already?
          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          The USA dominates in technology, science, higher education, the arts, and in protecting the oppressed of the world.

          Originally posted by Lt. Dan
          We need to keep emphasizing personal responsibility and discipline. If we do, we'll get even stronger. If we don't, the specter of a decadent Western Europe beckons.
          There were some very interesting Greek Gods; Huberis and Nemesis, and i hope that if they are reading this propoganda that they are in a good mood or else they might not stop with the fall of 'The Dream Team'.

          Let us not forget that the Olympics are not dedicated to individuals but to the greater good of all as expressed in the grace, power and athleticism of sport. More to the point let us not forget that humility and grace in victory are as important as respect and joy in just taking part.

          The Olympics were held during the time of the Olympic peace, something that we are still unable to achieve.

          So my best wishes and congratulations to all Olympic athletes! A fantastic effort from you all. To the US athletes also i extend my best wishes and gratitude for your effort. I hope that rubbish like this quoted article (thank you Lt. Dan for exposing it in the first place) does not detract from your magnificent efforts.

          See you all in Beijing 2008!
          Last edited by Legion; 28 Aug 04, 06:20.
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          • #6
            If you change USA to Socialist countries, and freedom to socialism, etc. you got the rhetoric of socialist propaganda.
            I thought I can forget it, but here again...

            (in the 1950s 1960s 1970s there were slogans in the factories here, like "Socialist people work better", "work to achive world freedom", "work precisly" etc. in the 1980s it could be forgot, but today I can see slogans again in the multinational factories (e.g. in the GE factories) "work better", etc...
            I think it is funny, and very retro here )
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            • #7
              Originally posted by laszlo.nemedi
              If you change USA to Socialist countries, and freedom to socialism, etc. you got the rhetoric of socialist propaganda.
              I thought I can forget it, but here again...

              (in the 1950s 1960s 1970s there were slogans in the factories here, like "Socialist people work better", "work to achive world freedom", "work precisly" etc. in the 1980s it could be forgot, but today I can see slogans again in the multinational factories (e.g. in the GE factories) "work better", etc...
              I think it is funny, and very retro here )
              It reminded me of the spirit in Germany 1936 after the Olympics, frightening but true.
              "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

              Henry Alfred Kissinger

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              • #8
                Funny stuff alright, it was meant to be taken lightly wasn't it? I'd be pissed if i was a Canadian reading that, or ashamed one of the two.

                Now im just waiting to see if anyone agrees with the statements made, c'mon you know you wanna, i know you're out there!!
                Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Temujin
                  Funny stuff alright, it was meant to be taken lightly wasn't it? I'd be pissed if i was a Canadian reading that, or ashamed one of the two.

                  Now im just waiting to see if anyone agrees with the statements made, c'mon you know you wanna, i know you're out there!!
                  Of course I agree with Bill's statement. The fact that it is truthful and well thought out makes it the target it is for every person who has treated it as a fluff piece or propaganda. The same people who think Farenheit 9/11 was a documentary.

                  The truth hurts.

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                  • #10
                    What a bunch of BS
                    I hear all the time about Canadian athletes who have no sponsors.They have work for living and pay their own way, that takes alot motivation.

                    Lori Ann Muenzer, who won gold for the women's sprint. Her coach could not afford to go to Athens so, he used telephone to coach her.

                    What about Belgium? It has done very poorly compared to its neighbour countries.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tim
                      What a bunch of BS
                      I hear all the time about Canadian athletes who have no sponsors.They have work for living and pay their own way, that takes alot motivation.

                      Lori Ann Muenzer, who won gold for the women's sprint. Her coach could not afford to go to Athens so, he used telephone to coach her.

                      What about Belgium? It has done very poorly compared to its neighbour countries.
                      Anyone ever thought that, because of our freedoms and capitalistic society, most atheletes worth a damn have left their home nations to become Americans? Now we're bad people because we support our atheletes? Now it is the fault of the US, as a country and society, because we have the best atheletes from here and around the world to not only compete under the stars and stripes, but to become citizens and enjoy a standard of living they would NEVER have enjoyed in their country of birth?

                      Hell, we even TRAIN most of the atheletes from other free countries who win medals because they go to school here and compete at the collegiate level!

                      Why would anyone want to slave away for years for nothing but an extra bread ration or a run-down apartment and extra toilet paper?

                      America puts more emphasis on its atheletes, but it is based on PRIVATE donations, not state-sponsored atheletics. A true testament to democracy and the fact that I, as a free person, can choose to support or NOT support anything I damned well please.

                      Again, the fact that we are now being vilified for our atheletic abilities points to the worldwide jealousy of the US. If it isn't that, it's our ability and willingness to field and use the greatest military force in the world. Vice that, it might be the way we pick our noses then flick the boogers into the environment instead of recycling them.

                      In conclusion, the desparate ranting against the US because of the support of its Olympic atheletes is just a smokescreen to deflect people fromn the obvious deficiencies of their own country and even the failings of their own societies.

                      Not to start anything with a particular nationality, but it's like the old joke, "Why doesn't the Mexican Olympic Team do well? Everyone who can run, jump, or swim worth a damn already has!"

                      Fire away.
                      Last edited by CPangracs; 28 Aug 04, 12:44.

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                      • #12
                        I'd say that relative to population, Australia is by far doing the best. If the Australian system were applied to the USA, then the US would have 400-500 medals. Thus, the question should be why has the US system failed so miserably compared to Australia? Australia is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, and America is just another one of those under-achieving loser societies. Even Canada, who has approx. 9 times fewer people than the USA, is doing proportinally better than the USA (we're up to 11 or 12 medals) I'm sure there are much smaller nations with populations in the couple million or less category with 1 or 2 medals that make them extremely successful relative to population size.

                        PS: Apologies, I had a grain of salt stuck in my eye. But I'm better now.
                        Last edited by Martin Schenkel; 28 Aug 04, 13:40.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CPangracs
                          Anyone ever thought that, because of our freedoms and capitalistic society, most atheletes worth a damn have left their home nations to become Americans? Now we're bad people because we support our atheletes? Now it is the fault of the US, as a country and society, because we have the best atheletes from here and around the world to not only compete under the stars and stripes, but to become citizens and enjoy a standard of living they would NEVER have enjoyed in their country of birth?
                          This is not unique. Many atheletes from African, Carribean, etc states compete with dual citizenship for Canada, France, Britain, etc.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lt. Dan
                            Canada has become increasingly socialistic, as big government programs ensure everyone is marginally taken care of. I may be wrong here, but I see the entitlement culture as a force against self-discipline and motivation.
                            Interesting. Canada has spent the past 15 years significantly reducing government spending programmes, privatizing crown corporations, etc. By definition, that should mean we've become less socialistic Since it dosen't seem to be working as well as it was suppose to, maybe we need to reverse that trend

                            But I guess there's nothing we can do against the greatest nation the world has ever seen. We'd all be better off bending over and taking it like the inferior societies that we are.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CPangracs
                              ...
                              The truth hurts.
                              Sure...

                              http://www.simon.forsyth.net/olympics.html#GMPM

                              http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]?OpenDocument

                              http://www.peterme.com/archives/000383.html

                              As I see I can say: we Hungarians are better than Americans

                              (Of course it is nothing about nations it is about sportmen and sportwomen who participated in the Olympic game. It is nothing about nations!)
                              a brain cell

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