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  • Wright Patterson former employee speaks out.

    Hey Ace, catch this on the History channel last nite? She tells the same story that Brazel & the Roswell eyewitnesses did about the tearable weightless material. When the Hangar 18 movie came out in 1980, no one paid it much attn. Just a few ufo buffs & the sceptics of course sang their boring & all too familiar cowardly tune. Well, they're losing ground these days with increasing rapidity. This lady was there,an EYEWITNESS!, ( oh me god, does that count as a form of EVIDENCE! oh my! ). & she isn't raking in any cash for speaking. At age 72, she says go ahead & let em shoot me, I don't care.

    http://ufomedia.blogspot.com/2007/01/good-american.html

    & while eyewitness testimony if often not the end all be all of the evidence world, one should remember here that Crain worked a long time there, which is a different scenario to say a car accident witness or a ONE EVENT type deal. In other words, she hear A LOT of stuff from her bosses, not just a whispered rumor or some sort of unsubstantial story.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...e/text_06.html


    Eyewitness testimony, which relies on the accuracy of human memory, has an enormous impact on the outcome of a trial. Aside from smoking pistol, nothing carries as much weight with a jury as the testimony of an actual witness.


    Anyway, really not looking for debate & argument, just making the point that the debunkers are clearly losing ground & cred as time marches on. & thought those who are openminded & have an interest in the subject would find this of interest.

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    Well...continuing in the vein of avoiding debate and argument...

    My wife and I took a really cool trip from Dallas to Carlsbad NM to Albuquerque NM to Durango CO and Moab UT earlier this month.

    On the way from Carlsbad to Albuquerque, we made a stop in Roswell. It's a really cool town and the UFO Museum is worth the trip...We then visited the Very Large Array (VLA) in Socorro...So we combined Sci-Fi with science in one day!

    I may be a skeptic...But it is a fun subject.
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    • #3
      It is good sized museum. Over 300 people associated with the Roswell incident have come forward. Deforest Kelley was stationed there during WW 2. Driving to Roswell from Utah is an amazing drive. Endless miles of desert-nothin sort of terrain.

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      • #4
        What is far more amazing to me is not that there are skeptics, but that so many are willing and eager to believe the government cover-up, not even well orchestrated, despite all of the contrivances and contradictions.

        The evidence is plain that something took place, and that the government went to great lengths to conceal it, up to and including the creation of MAJIC12.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MountainMan View Post
          What is far more amazing to me is not that there are skeptics, but that so many are willing and eager to believe the government cover-up, not even well orchestrated, despite all of the contrivances and contradictions.

          The evidence is plain that something took place, and that the government went to great lengths to conceal it, up to and including the creation of MAJIC12.
          That's what's so cool about it...
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          • #6
            yah.. well.. wtf..... whats all the bustle and caboozle about? i talk with them folks all the time.

            next

            ecce lobo

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MountainMan View Post
              The evidence is plain that something took place, and that the government went to great lengths to conceal it, up to and including the creation of MAJIC12.
              What is even more amazing then that....is Doc is an alien and took his trip is his saucer and nobody at the UFO museum realized it.

              That's understandable because he was moving so fast nobody could even see him without a discombobulaterthingmagiggyapparatus and who's got one of those other then the government!

              Even if we did have the proper tools we first need a way around his woohoostunninghottie distraction device and that's not going to happen.



              We can't be the smartest people in the universe.
              #occupyarmchairgeneral.
              Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true. Demosthenes.
              Against logic there is no armor like ignorance. Laurence J. Peter

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              • #8
                It doesn't require a ton of imagination to reson why they hid it. This was in the 50's & would YOU have wanted the Russians to have this stuff? or even know much about it?

                & as well, if TPTB were making bank on gasoline, why would they want to upset the apple cart by introducing advanced energy systems? all that cash gone with the wind.

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                • #9
                  Exactly right and how do i know this? Not because PF makes an apt and concise point but........

                  because the little grey guy whose an economist back home on Epislon Nine said the same gawdamn thing. Amen.

                  Stick to ya guns PF we'll make believers outta these heathens yet.

                  best
                  CV

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                  • #10
                    Guys (and gals) I hate to burst your balloon (pardon the pun)...

                    But the Roswell crash was not an alien spacecraft. It was a rather high-tech (by 1947 standards) balloon. It was designed to gather intel on Soviet nuclear tests...Or was it missile tests? It was something to do with spying on the Soviets. This particular test model crashed near Roswell, New Mexico.

                    It was a highly classified project. But the value of keeping it a secret ended about 50 years ago. The details of the Roswell incident will probably never be reconstructed because over the past 60 years, people have died, memories have faded and documents have become hopelessly lost in massive archives of often unnecessarily classified material. Our government has a tendency to classify secrets to the point that it creates the illusion that they are hiding aliens, flying saucers, Lost Arks of the Covenant, perpetual motion machines, gasoline-from-water formulas and Jimmy Hoffa clones in places like Groom Lake and Wright-Patterson.

                    This is not an example of a government conspiracy to cover something up. It's an example of an impenetrably stupid government bureaucracy fueling conspiracy theories by keeping secrets that it doesn't need to keep.

                    That said...For advocates and skeptics alike...I highly recommend Roswell. The museum is genuinely fun. I literally could have spent a week in their Research Library.
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                    • #11
                      But the Roswell crash was not an alien spacecraft. It was a rather high-tech (by 1947 standards) balloon.

                      No it wasn't.

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                      • #12
                        An Engineer Looks at the
                        Project Mogul Hypothesis

                        Robert A. Galganski has a master’s degree in civil engineering and is employed as a ground vehicle crash safety systems research and development specialist.

                        http://www.cufos.org/ros4.html

                        Major Jesse Marcel, intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group

                        Marcel described a big field: debris ". . . about as far as you could see—three quarters [of a] mile long and two hundred to three hundred feet wide."

                        One Mogul balloon train could account for only an extremely small fraction of the reported debris, even if Major Jesse Marcel had badly overestimated the field size.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Purple fang View Post
                          An Engineer Looks at the
                          Project Mogul Hypothesis

                          Robert A. Galganski has a master’s degree in civil engineering and is employed as a ground vehicle crash safety systems research and development specialist.

                          http://www.cufos.org/ros4.html

                          Major Jesse Marcel, intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group

                          Marcel described a big field: debris ". . . about as far as you could see—three quarters [of a] mile long and two hundred to three hundred feet wide."

                          One Mogul balloon train could account for only an extremely small fraction of the reported debris, even if Major Jesse Marcel had badly overestimated the field size.
                          Galganski never saw the crash site. Nor did he examine the wreckage...
                          The Roswell Debris Field: An Engineer’s Perspective
                          By Robert A. Galganski, MS ’69
                          (FUFOR, 2005)
                          Robert Galganski, a professional engineer, takes an in-depth, quantitative look at the official government position on the Roswell incident of 1947, when accounts of a flying saucer crash and alleged military cover-up provoked a still-brewing controversy. In the author's view, a 1947 Roswell Army Air Field report that the flying disk was merely mundane wreckage from a weather balloon and attached radar target does not square with multiple firsthand eyewitness testimony and other events. Nor does a similar U.S. Air Force report in 1994 successfully refute the "extraordinary physical properties" of the debris, Galganski asserts.
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                          • #14
                            no, I didn't but looks cool
                            "The people never have the power, only the illusion of it. And here is the real secret: they don't want it. The responsibility is too great to bear. It's why they are so quick to fall in line as soon as someone else takes charge."
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                              But the Roswell crash was not an alien spacecraft. It was a rather high-tech (by 1947 standards) balloon. It was designed to gather intel on Soviet nuclear tests...Or was it missile tests? It was something to do with spying on the Soviets. This particular test model crashed near Roswell, New Mexico.

                              It was a highly classified project. But the value of keeping it a secret ended about 50 years ago. The details of the Roswell incident will probably never be reconstructed because over the past 60 years, people have died, memories have faded and documents have become hopelessly lost in massive archives of often unnecessarily classified material. Our government has a tendency to classify secrets to the point that it creates the illusion that they are hiding aliens, flying saucers, Lost Arks of the Covenant, perpetual motion machines, gasoline-from-water formulas and Jimmy Hoffa clones in places like Groom Lake and Wright-Patterson.

                              This is not an example of a government conspiracy to cover something up. It's an example of an impenetrably stupid government bureaucracy fueling conspiracy theories by keeping secrets that it doesn't need to keep.

                              That said...For advocates and skeptics alike...I highly recommend Roswell. The museum is genuinely fun. I literally could have spent a week in their Research Library.
                              You know, Doc - for someone with a penchant for research like you have, you say the strangest things. Project Big Ear was nothing remotely related to Roswell, It was already well known to the American government, and would not have generated the official documents that it did, nor would MAJIC12 have come into being. It has as much validity as the high altitude parachute tests that took place years after the Roswell incident, but were claimed to have been mistaken for aliens. IIRC, Big Ear wasn't in the proper time frame either, and no one would have mistaken a high altitude ballon for anything else.

                              We don't know what happened, but we do know a few things:

                              1. Something happened that caused our government to declare everything Way Above Top Secret and to threaten civilans to maintain secrecy.

                              2. Things that did not "exist" were rounded up and transported under great secrecy and armed guard to Wright-Patterson, and

                              3. Shortly thereafter, American technology took off and quickly surpassed the rest of the world combined.

                              You may not believe in the possibilities of life elsewhere, but it is equally hard to believe in coincidences that involve the U.S. Government.

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