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    On another thread Tiberius brought up a point that I've always wondered about. As you know one of the Democrats key charges against Republicans is that they (Republicans) will give breaks to the richest 2% of Americans and drop the tax hammer on the rest of us. Who are the richest 2% of Americans? Well according to Democrats they are the heads of corporations, people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Dick Cheney. Is this a complete picture of the richest 2%, no it isn't. Here is the other half of the richest Americans, the ones that Democrats forget to mention.

    Ted Kennedy
    Bill and Hillary Clinton
    Jesse Jackson
    Al Sharpton
    John Edwards
    John Kerry
    Oprah Winfrey
    Barbara Striesand
    Tom Hanks
    Sean Penn
    Michael Moore
    Al Franken
    and others of the Hollywood liberal elite too numerious to mention.

    The question that I have is that if you don't think George Bush cares about your financial well being, what makes you think that Kerry does?

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    The Democrat's dirty little secret! Ask any of them and they will tell you it's soooo embarrassing that they are sooooo rich. Then ask them to donate 50% of it to the charities they love to "embrace". See how quick the "But I need to..." and "My status requires of me...".

    Friggin' losers.

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    • #3
      And Ghandi was probably among the richest 2% of Indians.
      Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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      • #4
        The rich get richer and the poor get poorer until the time is ripe for communist revolution.

        And than Karl Marx will rise from his grave and say: "See, I told you so" and the cold war start again between communist USA and capitalistic Russia
        "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

        Henry Alfred Kissinger

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Priest
          On another thread Tiberius brought up a point that I've always wondered about. As you know one of the Democrats key charges against Republicans is that they (Republicans) will give breaks to the richest 2% of Americans and drop the tax hammer on the rest of us. Who are the richest 2% of Americans? Well according to Democrats they are the heads of corporations, people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Dick Cheney. Is this a complete picture of the richest 2%, no it isn't. Here is the other half of the richest Americans, the ones that Democrats forget to mention.

          Ted Kennedy
          Bill and Hillary Clinton
          Jesse Jackson
          Al Sharpton
          John Edwards
          John Kerry
          Oprah Winfrey
          Barbara Striesand
          Tom Hanks
          Sean Penn
          Michael Moore
          Al Franken
          and others of the Hollywood liberal elite too numerious to mention.

          The question that I have is that if you don't think George Bush cares about your financial well being, what makes you think that Kerry does?
          And other than when they might hold political office and crafting laws, enforcing policy, et cetera, not a single one of them has anything at all, to do with my financial well being.

          Corporate fat cats, on the other hand, do.

          When Oprah gets a fat book deal (no pun intended), I don't suffer. When Ken Lay and his overpaid cronies stiff the state of California for billions in manipulated energy market shenanigans, and my utility rates (along with those of millions of other ratepayers) go sky high, all so that they can stuff their pockets and kick back to their bought stooges in the government - it bothers me.

          When Michael Moore makes some movie that sparks controversy, I may or may not go and see it, or even rent it on video. Not a major event in my life, regardless.

          However, when Rupert Murdoch, and a handful of media megaconglomerates buy up a controlling interest in the media outlets of vast areas of the US, then restrict the type of shows, news, and informational flows that reach the general public, acting as a propaganda organ that would give Goebbels an orgasm, and make Orwell spin in his grave, then I am affected, and worried.

          When Al Franken blabs on his radio show, or tackles some heckler at a Dean rally, it doesn't concern me.

          When Bill Gates' empire swells to such obscene proportions that the government is afraid to enforce meaningful sanctions on its illegal and monopolistic ways, and allows it to gain a stranglehold on emerging technologies, then I am concerned.

          When Jesse Jackson gives some speech about social inequities, I may agree, or disagree, with his point of view, but it is hardly an earthshaking experience for me.

          When Pat Robertson runs interference for Taylor in Liberia, who was fencing diamonds for Al Qaeda so that they could finance attacks on the US - all so that he could continue to make money off of his gold mine interests that he held with Taylor - then I, as well as every American, am affected.

          When a few police officers are put through the wringer and their jobs put in jeopardy because of Al Sharpton's support of Tawana Brawley's lies, I am not directly affected, and the end effect is that policies are changed, or enforced, where the policing of the police is made a little more strict. A bit of a silver lining to a dark cloud, and not necessarily a bad thing in my mind.

          When business owners outsource jobs to India, move manufacturing out of the country, and relocate their corporate offices into tax-free havens like the Cayman Islands, all so that a few corporate executives can prosper from increased stock options and get that 5th Hummer in the driveway, while their former employees have to decide whether to sell their beat up old Buick, so that the kids can get that emergency dental work performed, or have food on the table next week - then yes, I am affected as the quality of life that this country should have for its people, given its vast wealth goes unrealized due to a bizarrely unbalanced distribution of that wealth among its people.

          When people focus their energies on putting their wealth to use in gaining power over our daily existences, and squashing any real upwardly mobile economic opportunities for those who aren't in the "in crowd", then those are people who are abusing their wealth, and affecting every member of our society.

          I don't see a single person on your list, Priest, that fits that description.
          Last edited by JAMiAM; 12 Aug 04, 11:26.
          I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CPangracs
            The Democrat's dirty little secret! Ask any of them and they will tell you it's soooo embarrassing that they are sooooo rich. Then ask them to donate 50% of it to the charities they love to "embrace". See how quick the "But I need to..." and "My status requires of me...".

            Friggin' losers.
            Left wing people don't think being rich is embarrasing. They just think the rich should pay more in tax, because they can afford it. If there are ultra rich people who think they should pay more tax, then good on them in my book.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JAMiAM
              And other than when they might hold political office and crafting laws, enforcing policy, et cetera, not a single one of them has anything at all, to do with my financial well being.

              Corporate fat cats, on the other hand, do.
              You mean like Sen Kerry? Ted Kennedy? and about 99.9% of the other people on that list? Don't you think Oprah is a "corporation? Damned skippy if she isn't! Every single one of those people employ dozens, if not hundreds or even thousands, and definitely impact SOMEONE. And, iff they don't, they or their family did, at one time, serve as a corporate "fatcat", so they are all, still, corporate fatcats. They would like you to think they are different, but they aren't.

              When Oprah gets a fat book deal (no pun intended), I don't suffer.
              No, but if Oprah's magazine or TV channel goes under, it WILL impact thousands of people. I'm surprised you've forgotten how the economic impact of one business' downfall impacts so many others.

              When Ken Lay and his overpaid cronies stiff the state of California for billions in manipulated energy market shenanigans, and my utility rates (along with those of millions of other ratepayers) go sky high, all so that they can stuff their pockets and kick back to their bought stooges in the government - it bothers me.
              As it should,...but yours is an extremely selfish view (niot really surprised, though, as the running theme of Democrats and liberals has been "What can others give me that I don't think they deserve?"). The problem here is, those people usually get caught and punished, and often restitution is made, although much of THAT ends-up in some lawyer's pocket (hmm, aren't Clinton, Kerry, and Edwards all lawyers by trade?).

              When Michael Moore makes some movie that sparks controversy, I may or may not go and see it, or even rent it on video. Not a major event in my life, regardless.
              And why would it be when you agree with the half-truths, slander, and outright lies in the film? You SHOULD care because this jerkoff is making millions upon millions of dollars for propagandizing lies and hatred, and telling everyone of the "bad rich white people", when he is exactly what he rants against. Hippocritical, yet understandable, him being a registered democrat and all.

              However, when Rupert Murdoch, and a handful of media megaconglomerates buy up a controlling interest in the media outlets of vast areas of the US, then restrict the type of shows, news, and informational flows that reach the general public, acting as a propaganda organ that would give Goebbels an orgasm, and make Orwell spin in his grave, then I am affected, and worried.
              Hmm, you mean like when 84% of the owners and editors of Print and Media News outlets who admit to being liberal and definitely Anti-Bush? You mean THESE is the kind of non-bias people who are reporting and editorializing that makes you all warm and fuzzy? They make Murdoch and his miniscule holdings look like a pauper.

              When Al Franken blabs on his radio show, or tackles some heckler at a Dean rally, it doesn't concern me.
              But, according to other rhetoric you post, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly make you cringe?

              When Bill Gates' empire swells to such obscene proportions that the government is afraid to enforce meaningful sanctions on its illegal and monopolistic ways, and allows it to gain a stranglehold on emerging technologies, then I am concerned.
              One of the few people who have donted BILLIONS of dollars to the world? He's terrible! The fact that you are probably looking at this with IE instead of Mozilla or using Windows instead of Linux makes me laugh and your argument sink faster than a Led Zeppelin groupie sinks to her knees to do Robert Plant!

              When Jesse Jackson gives some speech about social inequities, I may agree, or disagree, with his point of view, but it is hardly an earthshaking experience for me.
              I guess the FACT that this charlatan has NEVER had a real job, can't account for most of the millions that have been given to him, had at LEAST one child with a woman out of wedlock (pretty good for a "reverend", huh?), refuses to cooperate with the IRS, but pulls the Race Card when he is questioned about his activities, and he uses race to incite hatred against and blackmail companies into "contributing" to his "causes", whatever the hell they may be, doesn't effect you at all, right? Why is that? Why does this dipshit get a "pass" from the great Jam?!

              When Pat Robertson runs interference for Taylor in Liberia, who was fencing diamonds for Al Qaeda so that they could finance attacks on the US - all so that he could continue to make money off of his gold mine interests that he held with Taylor - then I, as well as every American, am affected.
              Sorry to burst your bubble, but there isn't even a gold mine! There is land but an inop mine, which has produced ZERO income! Believe it or not, Taylor was endorsed and supported for many years by Slick Willie Clinton! Maybe some research is in order, huh? Why are you so quick to hold Pat Robertson accountable for the actions of Taylor (alleged, I might add), yet completely ignore the many years he and Billy Boy were buddies?

              When a few police officers are put through the wringer and their jobs put in jeopardy because of Al Sharpton's support of Tawana Brawley's lies, I am not directly affected, and the end effect is that policies are changed, or enforced, where the policing of the police is made a little more strict. A bit of a silver lining to a dark cloud, and not necessarily a bad thing in my mind.
              Ahh, yes,...the Democratic mantrs of "The ends justify the means". Typical. I guess that, had the police decided not to pursue the case based solely on the FACT that Tawana Brawley had a very specific history in the area of false accusations, you would have been deeply upset and troubled, right?

              [QUOTE]When business owners outsource jobs to India, move manufacturing out of the country, and relocate their corporate offices into tax-free havens like the Cayman Islands, all so that a few corporate executives can prosper from increased stock options and get that 5th Hummer in the driveway, while their former employees have to decide whether to sell their beat up old Buick, so that the kids can get that emergency dental work performed, or have food on the table next week - then yes, I am affected as the quality of life that this country should have for its people, given its vast wealth goes unrealized due to a bizarrely unbalanced distribution of that wealth among its people.[/QUOTE}

              You mean like MOST of John Kerry's business contributors did? You mean like the hundreds of corporations who started doing this back around, oh, 1992 or so? This is the sorriest example of bandwagon-jumping I've seen in quite awhile. I suggest you look into who started doing this and when, then look at who was in office when it started! Also, you should REALLY look at the economic impact it has here in the states. You really have a chip on your shoulders about people who make money from corporations who "outsource" I suggest you write a letter to a couple who makes millions off of the income from companies who are doing exactly that,...they are called Mr. and Mrs. John Kerry, and I believe they are probably dining on fois gras, caviar, and drinking some Dom.

              When people focus their energies on putting their wealth to use in gaining power over our daily existences, and squashing any real upwardly mobile economic opportunities for those who aren't in the "in crowd", then those are people who are abusing their wealth, and affecting every member of our society.
              You mean, of course, people like Arnold Schwarzennegar, who paid for his entire campaing out of pocket and doesn't accept a paycheck, all so he can have the pleasure of unscrewing a democratic governor's screw-up? You mean, of course, George Bush, who could have done anything he wanted with his money, to include making so much more, yet decided to put it all out there to help guide our country? You MUST mean the Republican party, as a whole, who continue to place more persons of color in positions of power than even our first Black President, Bill Clinton? Yea, they really are keeping the minorities in their place, huh?!

              I hope you saw how stoked the crowd was when old Obama from Illinois got up there and spoke. The crowd went wild because there are SO FEW blacks in ANY kind of position of power in the Democratic Party. Yep, those dems sure know how to keep people in their place, don't they?

              I don't see a single person on your list, Priest, that fits that description.
              That's because you are now confirmed to be completely and totally brainwashed, and are close to being a card-carrying socialist.

              Sleep tight, and remember, there are far more of me than there are of you.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CPangracs
                Sleep tight, and remember, there are far more of me than there are of you.
                Yeah...multiple personality disorder is a b*tch, ain't it?
                I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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                • #9
                  Ouch
                  Black & blue from the TOAW learning curve!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JAMiAM
                    I don't see a single person on your list, Priest, that fits that description.
                    What description? Did you blow a gasket James?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Priest
                      What description? Did you blow a gasket James?
                      This description...

                      Originally posted by JAMiAM
                      When people focus their energies on putting their wealth to use in gaining power over our daily existences, and squashing any real upwardly mobile economic opportunities for those who aren't in the "in crowd", then those are people who are abusing their wealth, and affecting every member of our society.
                      None of the members of your list fit the above description of someone who abuses their wealth, or more correctly, makes a habit of using their wealth to abuse others.
                      I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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                      • #12
                        Gee James, I really don't recall making that post. What I was refering to was this tired old class warfare bit that Democrats pull every election cycle. You see James I also get tired of the lies that are spoken by Democrats.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Priest
                          Gee James, I really don't recall making that post. What I was refering to was this tired old class warfare bit that Democrats pull every election cycle. You see James I also get tired of the lies that are spoken by Democrats.
                          <pours Priest a cup of his coffee, waits 15 minutes for the caffeine to begin working>

                          No...that was a quote from *my* post. That is my description. Wealth, like hammers, guns, and any other tool, is not inherently evil. It is what people do with it that determines what sort of person they are.
                          I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JAMiAM
                            <pours Priest a cup of his coffee, waits 15 minutes for the caffeine to begin working>

                            No...that was a quote from *my* post. That is my description. Wealth, like hammers, guns, and any other tool, is not inherently evil. It is what people do with it that determines what sort of person they are.
                            It's also what others consider "evil". Many would consider hoarding money "evil", yet that is exactly what people MUST do to survive without amassing huge amounts of debt. Still others would consider just earning more than a living wage "evil". And yet, others believe just having any money "evil".

                            It's all in they eye of the socialist looking at it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CPangracs
                              It's also what others consider "evil". Many would consider hoarding money "evil", yet that is exactly what people MUST do to survive without amassing huge amounts of debt. Still others would consider just earning more than a living wage "evil". And yet, others believe just having any money "evil".

                              It's all in they eye of the socialist looking at it.
                              The word 'hoarding', dont you mean saving, and really does anyone consider that evil or are you fantasising? Also, saving money is not a necessary act to survive without amassing debt or even huge amounts of it. Which others consider more than a living wage evil? Have never heard anyone express that someone, even the most poorest, who has money is evil.

                              Did you have a few too many drinks last night Pangracs, or are you just looking for desperate excuses, because none of what you mentioned has any resemblance to any sort of socialism i know.

                              I thought you could have done better than that.
                              Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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