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    On the preceding day of the 60 year D-DAYcelebration, I ask my self if the world that our children will receive in legacy would be a better one than the one we owe actualy.

    I let you polling on this matter.
    Take in account energy waste, polution, globalisation, citizenship, world powerty, etc...

    On my own I'm affraid we let them more problems than our parents and great parents let us.

    Der WanderWorldInheritance
    18
    Will be the same
    16.67%
    3
    Will be a better one
    11.11%
    2
    Will be worst than now
    72.22%
    13
    No opinion
    0.00%
    0
    Last edited by jlbetin; 05 Jun 04, 12:46.
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  • #2
    It will be a different one. Whether it is better or worse will only be determined in the eye of the beholder, but even that is flawed because the beholder will have a bias. The free market model will give the people what they want and as long as this system is not overridden then the people will most likely be happy.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Prester John
      It will be a different one. Whether it is better or worse will only be determined in the eye of the beholder, but even that is flawed because the beholder will have a bias. The free market model will give the people what they want and as long as this system is not overridden then the people will most likely be happy.
      The free market model will give those with some what they want while the majority with nothing gets less.

      Theres no such thing as free market and there never will be, it is a corruptable model just like soviet communism.

      Those with the power and wealth still dictate to those without in the "free market." It's a contradition in terms.
      Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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      • #4
        Well, I, for one, plan on leaving my children a world better than the one I had, simply by being a better father and provider than my own. I also have confidence in our leaders that they will strive to make our world better for everyone.

        If you don't have any hope that our world will improve, then I suggest you eat the business end of a small-caliber firearm, because your life is all but over.

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        • #5
          Well at the micro level Curt theres plenty we can do to improve our childrens 'world' but at the macro level it is out of our hands, except for our votes, but that is a drop in the ocean. You could be an active participant in an interest group, that would make your 'drop' a bit more substantial.

          However there are factors that are controllable by governance and those that are not so controllable. If you look at cycles in history, golden era's followed by revolution/dark periods etc you would come to the conclusion that it is a regular pattern. Its anyones guess where the next 50 years will take us, i think major changes are on the way. Should i shoot myself for this belief

          I just think im lucky to have a broad knowledge of things that can sustain life, i have an interest and practical experience in primary production from large scale to small scale (back yard) production, i have knowledge in firearms and some military knowledge i have picked up and what has been passed on to me from my father, and i have an understanding of people and governence.

          All of these things will be passed on to my children, so it is there if they ever need it. So although i may be more negative in my predictions im still positive it would be survivable, im betting 90% of western society would be utterly useless in a worse case scenario of collapsed economies and they were forced to be self sufficient. So i will save that bullet for the first hungry scavenger that tries to invade my families food supply thankyou very much!

          PS, im not a doom and gloomer, just like to be prepared for all possibilities.
          Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Temujin
            The free market model will give those with some what they want while the majority with nothing gets less.

            Theres no such thing as free market and there never will be, it is a corruptable model just like soviet communism.

            Those with the power and wealth still dictate to those without in the "free market." It's a contradition in terms.
            Excuse me, but have you taken an economic course? Do you really know what "free market" means? I think Churchill said it best, "Democracy is the least worse model of all political theories..." Just as free market is ideally least worse of all economic models, it's not a perfect one, but it's much better suited for world if it wants to prosper economically.

            Those with the "power" and "wealth" are the ones who invest in the market and creates more jobs for people to fill in. Monopolies aren't going to last forever. Soon or later, they will be broken down. What goes up will eventually comes down.

            Free market simply means the removal of tariffs and other NTBs (non-tariff barriers). European Union (EU) and North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) are supposedly examples of free market.

            Most economists agree to a certain extent that free market model should be advocated. However, they disagree on what to extent, globalization either benefits or threatens certain regions of the world. In any case, it's really debatable. For me, I think in some ways, free market can be benefical to all people including the least developed areas of world. Though, I can see some dangers of free market, but that's another story...in another thread.

            Dan
            Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

            "Aim small, miss small."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Temujin
              The free market model will give those with some what they want while the majority with nothing gets less.

              Theres no such thing as free market and there never will be, it is a corruptable model just like soviet communism.

              Those with the power and wealth still dictate to those without in the "free market." It's a contradition in terms.
              I'm sorry, but a free market is essential to provide the lowest price consumables and best incentive for innovation. If you really want a better world you will need cheaper upkeep, shorter working hours and better education. And the incentive to come up with the innovations that will give us these improvements depend upon the rewards provided by the free market system that we use.

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              • #8
                In reply to PJ and Cheetah, I'm not knocking the free market system/ideology, i used the Communism example of an ideal type that has never really been practiced for the purpose it was intended for, the soviet model is a good example of that. The same could be said for the international freemarket economy as in Free Trade agreements.

                I was just pointing out that these are not actually free trade agreements but more or less favorouble ones for the states concerned. Tariffs and other regulations still exist in some form or other, Australia's Family allowance supplement, a tax benefit sceme for low income families could be classed as one.

                Plenty of small poorer states suffer from free trade agreements forced onto them by international money lending organisations which open them up to unregulated imports while richer countries who do not rely on these financial institutions keep their trade tariffs (or similar functioning apparatusses) so that the poorer countries are are handicapped by them when trying to send exports to richer nations. So it is a one way street in reality.

                Its not really what free trade is supposed to be about if you look at the meaning of the two words in independant of whatever meaning the words have as a practice by certain organisations.

                You could argue that free market and free trade are different things PJ, looking back i may have slightly misinterpreted your comments that way, if you were talking local free market instead of international, but they basically mean the same thing.
                Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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                • #9
                  No need to argue, a free market has nothing to do with what you are calling free trade.

                  Regulated markets will not encourage innovation to the same extent and are not worth considering as an alternative if you want a better standard of living for the masses.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah i went a bit off track there, although regulation can involve protectionism, but you wern't arguing that aspect of it. I agree with you on that aspect free market although i dont support full deregulation of the public sector.
                    Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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                    • #11
                      I hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I have hope that things will be better but when I have children I intend to prepare them for either outcome.
                      "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Prester John
                        Regulated markets will not encourage innovation to the same extent and are not worth considering as an alternative if you want a better standard of living for the masses.
                        YOu're really going to have to be more specific, since there really is no "free-market" today. It's all regulated to varying degrees.

                        A totally free, unregulated market would be a disaster. Maybe even more so than a completely (or damn close to it) centralized economy (eg Soviet communism).
                        Last edited by MikeJ; 06 Jun 04, 11:06.
                        "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

                        – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CPangracs
                          Well, I, for one, plan on leaving my children a world better than the one I had, simply by being a better father and provider than my own. I also have confidence in our leaders that they will strive to make our world better for everyone.

                          If you don't have any hope that our world will improve, then I suggest you eat the business end of a small-caliber firearm, because your life is all but over.
                          I try to do the same for my littles (12 and 16), to give them the need to be right to tell truth, to avoid racism. I show them how uglys are the ultraconservatives , and that socialist ideas are the best in the world .

                          To be just very serious, I think you and I try to teach them honor honesty love of neighbour whatever he is (even an ultraconservative one, yes yes I do).
                          But Curt what could we do against Hatred of our Western values, democracy, right of man, right of man to dispose of himself, right to practice what religion he want even none.
                          There are some countries and some group of people which saw us as Devill, enemy of God etc...
                          There are some religious school where it is taught that a good christian or westener is a dead one ( remember Sheridan).

                          And poverty of thirld world, errorsof many leaders of westen coutries ( including the hell of mistakes of Sharon), all that contribute to the rise of terrorism.

                          Look at oil/coal consumption since 1750, it generates so much CO2 that the temperature is increasing in an inescapable way.
                          What living it will gives for our children our little childrens ?
                          Ecological equilibrum is broken as we consecrate more and more surfaces to agriculture.

                          In nature the trend of group is equal to the sum of all randon individual forces. Knowing that majority of them are self opposed. it gives a stable position or a slow move with sometime little backward move.

                          We as human are no more randomly manned, we have left the ecological equilibrum, the classical nature regulation, we are on our own.
                          The trend we generate by our individual actions, lead to a fast move. It could lead us to a global disaster, not extinction but drastic elimination of most part of humanity.

                          Here are my fears, science is not the faulty one to incriminate, it is all of us, by the way we live unreasoned that could drive us by our individual trend (way of consuming goods, not making care of environment wasting earth ressources as fossil carbon reserves) to the abyss.

                          Der WanderAffraid
                          Last edited by jlbetin; 07 Jun 04, 08:14.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MikeJ
                            YOu're really going to have to be more specific, since there really is no "free-market" today. It's all regulated to varying degrees.

                            A totally free, unregulated market would be a disaster. Maybe even more so than a completely (or damn close to it) centralized economy (eg Soviet communism).
                            Actually it is becoming apparent that certain environmental rules do need to be enforced upon the free market such that a more correct true cost is used for a product. Even so, supply and demand will still make the world go around.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Prester John
                              Even so, supply and demand will still make the world go around.
                              Yep. No argument here... I've been having discussions with some economic libertarians (who believe in total deregulation) on another forum lately though, so I'm getting kind of nitpicky with terms.
                              "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

                              – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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