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  • What to Do With Captured Insurgents in Iraq?

    Increasing numbers are getting taken prisoners due to the scale of fighting in places like Falujah. Among them Egyptians, Syrians, Sudanese and other Al-Quaida types.
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    Shoot them as illegal undercover saboteurs. Standard procedure in times of war.
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    Put them in POW camps/prisons
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    Other (explain)
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    Last edited by MonsterZero; 10 Apr 04, 12:13.

    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

  • #2
    Detention camps (like the Israelis did) only provide the insurgents with an environment where they can establish a proper organisation (like the PLO in the 1982 war in Lebanon).

    shooting them out of turn just exacerbates the situation, while letting them go is not an option.

    other nationals should be sent to their respective government for punishment, Iraqis should be dealt with by the Iraqi provisional legal system - otherwise whats the point of pretending that the provisional government actually has any authority?
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    • #3
      Well, I think the only "legal" way is to put them into POW camps.
      In the way that I (and many other people) interpret the Hague Land War Convention that is working here (AFAIK), these "insurgents" are no "illegal" fighters and therefore they have to be handled like any other regular combatant who has been taken prisoner, and that is to be regarded as a POW with all the rights.
      "A platoon of Chinese tanks viciously attacked a Soviet harvester,
      which was peacefully working a field near the Soviet-Chinese border.
      The harvester returned fire and upon destroying the enemy
      returned to its home base."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MonsterZero
        Increasing numbers are getting taken prisoners due to the scale of fighting in places like Falujah. Among them Egyptians, Syrians, Sudanese and other Al-Quaida types.
        But how many are actually surrendering. Don't most of the crazy fundamentalists fight to the death? So proably the ones who are surrendering are not really fighting for what they believe in??

        Thanks for looking!!

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        • #5
          They have to be handed over to the Iraqi police.

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          • #6
            Execute them.

            Unlike regular soilders who would be returned to their home nation after a conflict and continue to serve or not in that nations armed forces, these guys will be back. Most of them came to Iraq for the express purpose of killing Americans.

            And you can fool yourself with all the touchy-feely crap you want that these people are opposed to the US because of our policies and non-agression policies would make everybody safe. Nope that aint the reality here. The reality is that in their minds we (any nonfundamental Islamic nation) are the enemy.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BigDog
              Execute them.

              Unlike regular soilders who would be returned to their home nation after a conflict and continue to serve or not in that nations armed forces, these guys will be back. Most of them came to Iraq for the express purpose of killing Americans.

              And you can fool yourself with all the touchy-feely crap you want that these people are opposed to the US because of our policies and non-agression policies would make everybody safe. Nope that aint the reality here. The reality is that in their minds we (any nonfundamental Islamic nation) are the enemy.
              Very good point, I hadn't thought about quite like that

              Thanks for looking!!

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              • #8
                Insurgents by definition are local people rising against the established government, they should be treated as POW's, shooting them would be against the geneva covention i would think, spies can be executed, i think.
                Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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                • #9
                  Unfortunatly the Geneva convention is only worthwhile if both sides are adheering to it. Otherwise onceside is limited by a set a rules while the other is free to do as they will.

                  Again unlike regular soilders who fall under a the direction of a Nation these people will simply resume hostilities as soon as they are released.

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                  • #10
                    IMHO Iraqi nationals should be held captive but Iraq is crawling with Syrians and Iranians from across the border (US military is keeping this quiet). Those should be shot on the spot whether they surrender or not. They're hardcore terrorists determined enough to come across the border in hope of killing Americans. They shouldn't be permitted to ever return to their homes alive. The native Iraqi population won't care.

                    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BigDog
                      Execute them.

                      Unlike regular soilders who would be returned to their home nation after a conflict and continue to serve or not in that nations armed forces, these guys will be back. Most of them came to Iraq for the express purpose of killing Americans.

                      And you can fool yourself with all the touchy-feely crap you want that these people are opposed to the US because of our policies and non-agression policies would make everybody safe. Nope that aint the reality here. The reality is that in their minds we (any nonfundamental Islamic nation) are the enemy.
                      I agree that the punishment should be harsh, but they need to be dealt with by the Iraqi judiciary on charges of treason or some such that reflects the crime of attacking the Iraqi state. I don't think a better result will be achieved by having the attacking US forces execute them after a military tribunal, and will only aid the extremists martyrdom.

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                      • #12
                        Whatever is done has to be done with an eye on the whole region. I think it's inevitable that if a majority of Shia want an Islamic state then there's no way to prevent it in the long term. If the 'uprising' has been whipped up with that as the ultimate goal, then theoretically once it's achieved Iraq will settle down (I did say theoretically) without drawing in the young 'freedom fighter/terrorists' from neighbouring countries.

                        If there's a "hearts and minds" aspect to this thing then it's probably aimed at winning the support of the moderate (majority?)Iraqis and at not inflaming the rest of the region. There's a very fine psychological/political dimension to all of this that has to be managed carefully. If the situation escalates then the problems the 'allies' had in Vietnam with the Cambodian and Laosian borders could be repeated(Iran/Syria/Saudi Arabia).

                        You might think my comments are crap and that's fine!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BigDog
                          Execute them.

                          Unlike regular soilders who would be returned to their home nation after a conflict and continue to serve or not in that nations armed forces, these guys will be back. Most of them came to Iraq for the express purpose of killing Americans.

                          And you can fool yourself with all the touchy-feely crap you want that these people are opposed to the US because of our policies and non-agression policies would make everybody safe. Nope that aint the reality here. The reality is that in their minds we (any nonfundamental Islamic nation) are the enemy.
                          Just wondering BigDog why you think an alternative approach to 'execution' is considered 'touchy feely crap'?

                          I'm sure most people here who disagree with execution do so because they see it as a bad strategy, there is no need to martyr people and alienate others in the process. The coalition has got itself into trouble in Iraq and a smarter strategy than retribution killing is needed. Its not about being sentimental its about the best strategy to secure safety for all in the long run.
                          Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MonsterZero
                            IMHO Iraqi nationals should be held captive but Iraq is crawling with Syrians and Iranians from across the border (US military is keeping this quiet). Those should be shot on the spot whether they surrender or not. They're hardcore terrorists determined enough to come across the border in hope of killing Americans. They shouldn't be permitted to ever return to their homes alive. The native Iraqi population won't care.
                            I don't see how shooting anyone on sight, no matter the conditions, is productive. I highly doubt the militia forces in Iraq factor in the number of casualties they might incur. All their attention is focused on a single goal. Minimizing their own losses isn't one of them.

                            Killing people on sight is what everyone in the region expects out of America. It is better we apprehend and try those arrested rather than promote a cycle of violence that goes nowhere.
                            "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil that they set out to destroy."-Christopher Dawson - The Judgement of Nations, 1942

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                            • #15
                              Just imagine the outcry if Iraqi insurgents would capture and than execute a US GI Joe (say Jessica Lynch II)? Maybe if they choose the Islamic way of execution and chop of her head, film it and Al Jazira airs it ?
                              Oh, I can already see ppl like BigDog probably demanding to nuke those barabians or similar stuff, yet you seem to have no problems with executing Iraqi POWs. Whats the difference between GI Joe and the Iraqis ? Both are fighting for a free Iraq, only GI Joe sees Iraq as free with the US military occupying it while the Iraqi insurgent sees it as free without the US military occupying it. Oh, and why should foreign fighters been threated different? For example ALL US soldiers ar foreigners! Should they all be executed on the spot? Oh and please, no hairsplitting: "he has a uniform, he is a lawful fighter, he has no uniform, he is an unlawful fighter'. If all insurgents would wear the same hat during an attack and call it their uniform... would that make them or their attacks any different?
                              They are POWs ans should be treated as such.
                              "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

                              Henry Alfred Kissinger

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