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    Abdul Qadeer Khan Pakistans leading nuclear scientist has admitted that he sold nuclear secrets to some rogue states and possibly to some terrorist organizations. The US and Britain also knew of a company that was prepared to sell everything needed to make a nuclear bomb for $50 million, no questions asked. Scary indeed.

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sections/W..._040304-1.html
    Last edited by Priest; 09 Mar 04, 03:50.

  • #2
    It is scary and difficult to understand. Why must Iraq be attacked when in fact the country has no WMD and why nothing is done against a country like Pakistan who sold WMD's to rogue states and maybe to the terrorists ?
    The funny thing is that Iraq was a secular country and and Pakistan an Islamic republic.

    LaPalice.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by LaPalice
      It is scary and difficult to understand. Why must Iraq be attacked when in fact the country has no WMD and why nothing is done against a country like Pakistan who sold WMD's to rogue states and maybe to the terrorists ?
      The funny thing is that Iraq was a secular country and and Pakistan an Islamic republic.

      LaPalice.
      Well, because in this case it was not an action of a government but of a single person. AFAIK General Musharraf was really pissed about all this, guess they might even execute this Khan guy.
      "A platoon of Chinese tanks viciously attacked a Soviet harvester,
      which was peacefully working a field near the Soviet-Chinese border.
      The harvester returned fire and upon destroying the enemy
      returned to its home base."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LaPalice
        The funny thing is that Iraq was a secular country and and Pakistan an Islamic republic.

        LaPalice.
        Is being an Islamic republic a reasonable excuse for attack?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Prester John
          Is being an Islamic republic a reasonable excuse for attack?
          Is being suspected to own WMD one???

          Well, and the CIA world fact book calls Pakistan a Federal Republic and Iran a theocratic republic so Pakistan is also not a "Islamic" republic.
          "A platoon of Chinese tanks viciously attacked a Soviet harvester,
          which was peacefully working a field near the Soviet-Chinese border.
          The harvester returned fire and upon destroying the enemy
          returned to its home base."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mr_clark
            Well, because in this case it was not an action of a government but of a single person. AFAIK General Musharraf was really pissed about all this, guess they might even execute this Khan guy.
            Well, I am not sure on that...
            a brain cell

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mr_clark
              Is being suspected to own WMD one???

              Well, and the CIA world fact book calls Pakistan a Federal Republic and Iran a theocratic republic so Pakistan is also not a "Islamic" republic.
              Since it is a known fact that Irag did have WMD after the Iran/Iraq and Gulf wars then I think you mean -

              "Is being suspected to still own WMD one???"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Prester John
                Since it is a known fact that Irag did have WMD after the Iran/Iraq and Gulf wars then I think you mean -

                "Is being suspected to still own WMD one???"
                O.K. you´re right that they probably owned WMD some time after the second gulf war, but AFAIK nobody, yet, presented any evidence that they still owned some when the federal republic of the United States of America attacked the republic of Iraq (of course without declaring war) stating the availability of WMD as a/the most crucial isue of this action.
                "A platoon of Chinese tanks viciously attacked a Soviet harvester,
                which was peacefully working a field near the Soviet-Chinese border.
                The harvester returned fire and upon destroying the enemy
                returned to its home base."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mr_clark
                  Well, because in this case it was not an action of a government but of a single person. AFAIK General Musharraf was really pissed about all this, guess they might even execute this Khan guy.
                  It is sure that the Pakistan authorities knew what Khan did. Someone of his importance is certainly well watched. General Musharraf certainly knew what he did.

                  LaPalice.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prester John
                    Is being an Islamic republic a reasonable excuse for attack?
                    No of course, but that shows that you have more luck to find Al Qaeda sympathizers in Pakistan. And that Saddam was more an enemy for the Islamists than an ally.

                    LaPalice.
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                    • #11
                      Obviously the US has to use the same logic employed during WW2, when it supported the Soviets against Nazi Germany and then fought against the Soviets in the Cold War. It would be unwise to take on all your enemies at once, and you don't start with the biggest opponent straight up.

                      This is why you start with a smaller more defined enemy, specifically one who wouldn't account for known WMD and instead shrugs his figurative shoulders and says he doesn't know what you are talking about. The imperative was to do a full accounting and prove that WMD were no longer in play. This is something that Muammar Gadafi seems to have taken to heart and done his utmost to turn the page on that aspect of Libya's past. Most remarkable.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LaPalice
                        It is scary and difficult to understand. Why must Iraq be attacked when in fact the country has no WMD and why nothing is done against a country like Pakistan who sold WMD's to rogue states and maybe to the terrorists ?
                        The funny thing is that Iraq was a secular country and and Pakistan an Islamic republic.

                        LaPalice.
                        It shouldn't be difficult to understand. Mushareff (not an Ayatollah) was cooperating with us in the war in Afghanistan, while Saddam Hussein had been antagonizing us for a decade and letting thousands of his people die to flaut U.N. sanctions. -Not to mention the terms of the original war's cease fire.
                        ...a man that can stand up for a principle and sit down on his own stool.
                        -the Firesign Theatre

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LaPalice
                          It is sure that the Pakistan authorities knew what Khan did. Someone of his importance is certainly well watched. General Musharraf certainly knew what he did.

                          LaPalice.
                          According to the article the US knew of Khan dating back to the Clinton administration. So why the US and Pakistan didn't move in on this guy is still to be determined. Perhaps they were using him to find out who was shopping around for nuclear devices.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LaPalice
                            It is sure that the Pakistan authorities knew what Khan did. Someone of his importance is certainly well watched. General Musharraf certainly knew what he did.

                            LaPalice.
                            Well, the information I have from some news magazines etc. really makes clear that the government of Pkistan really did not know about Khan's actions as he sold the stuff for his personal benefit (he and his firms made a real nice profit out of it). Apart from that this idea is also supported by the fact that most countries who have the bomb do not wish other countries to have it too, what would surely happen if you make a sale. So for example I think it is very questionable wether the government of Pakistan wants Lybia to own nuclear weapons and AFAIK Khan made a move on them.
                            "A platoon of Chinese tanks viciously attacked a Soviet harvester,
                            which was peacefully working a field near the Soviet-Chinese border.
                            The harvester returned fire and upon destroying the enemy
                            returned to its home base."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mr_clark
                              Well, the information I have from some news magazines etc. really makes clear that the government of Pkistan really did not know about Khan's actions as he sold the stuff for his personal benefit (he and his firms made a real nice profit out of it). Apart from that this idea is also supported by the fact that most countries who have the bomb do not wish other countries to have it too, what would surely happen if you make a sale. So for example I think it is very questionable wether the government of Pakistan wants Lybia to own nuclear weapons and AFAIK Khan made a move on them.
                              I really find strange that the Pakistanese authorities don't know what a person like Khan do. He was/is certainly watched by the secret services.

                              LaPalice.
                              Monsieur de La Palice est mort
                              Mort devant Pavie.
                              Un quart d'heure avant sa mort
                              Il était encore en vie...

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