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  • I Borrowed a Poll from CNN.com!

    I can't wait for your replies!
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    Same-sex marriages
    33.33%
    8
    Divorce
    66.67%
    16

    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

  • #2
    Divorce is the failure of marriage and if there is alot of divorce taking place then that shows there is a problem. Two people getting married and staying married no matter what combination of gender they are shows that marriage is succesful. If you're divorced you're no longer a part of the institution of Marriage, and if everyone is divorced then the institution no longer exists. That's the biggest threat.
    "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

    – George W. Bush

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    • #3
      Does bring up an interesting point. If same-sex marriage is forbidden, divorce should be forbidden as well.

      I bet we'd see a lot more support for same-sex marriages if that was the choice offered .
      "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

      – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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      • #4
        I think there should be other options in the poll ie TOAW, beer, sports etc.
        Black & blue from the TOAW learning curve!

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        • #5
          I don't know if there really is a threat. It's human nature to find love and companionship, whatever you want to call it, whether it comes with a piece of paper or not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lt. Dan
            Divorce is the failure of marriage.....
            ...and marriage is the chief cause of divorce.
            Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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            • #7
              Support heterosexual marriages to maintain the sanctity of divorce!

              It takes a big man to say he's wrong. It takes an even bigger man to write an alimony check every month...
              I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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              • #8
                Is either alternative a threat?

                Stupid question.

                To forbid divorce would be a bigger threat. Who'd get married then?

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                • #9
                  As someone who has been married and divorced that last thing that we worried about was whether John and Frank or Sue and Jenny were getting married. THe biggest stress I've seen in my experiance and my friends is the pressures of needing 2 incomes these days to be able to make it. Two overworked, stressed out people have a hard time making things work.
                  "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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                  • #10
                    Hello,

                    To me, the issue is about the moral values. The gay marriages are attacking the traditional moral values.

                    God did not place a man with another man, He placed a man and a woman together.

                    God destroyed Sodom and Gommerah, because of wanton homosexuality. Please don't argue otherwise, I've got my KJV Bible all ready to knock down any absurd theories that clearly ignores the homosexuality...

                    What the gays are doing in S.F. is illegal and unconstitutional, they ought to be punished severely by criminal courts. This is your civil disobedience at finest...

                    This only proves Ameica is really lacking in the moral values. Indeed, the conservatives need to do more to take America back from sexual preverts.

                    Dan
                    Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

                    "Aim small, miss small."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      What the gays are doing in S.F. is illegal and unconstitutional, they ought to be punished severely by criminal courts. This is your civil disobedience at finest...
                      How is it unconsitutional or illegal? I have read and read the consitution and see it make no mention of marrage.
                      "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tim McBride
                        How is it unconsitutional or illegal? I have read and read the consitution and see it make no mention of marrage.
                        The gays are rushing to marry and issued a marriage license, which it's not valid yet.

                        It's like they're trying to demonstrate to the courts that 2,000 gay couples do really make a huge difference and the numbers should indicate it must be legal to be issued non-valid marriage licenses.

                        Are we going to tolerance civil disobedience like this? They have a balatant disregard for the civil law.

                        Dan
                        Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

                        "Aim small, miss small."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cheetah772
                          The gays are rushing to marry and issued a marriage license, which it's not valid yet.

                          It's like they're trying to demonstrate to the courts that 2,000 gay couples do really make a huge difference and the numbers should indicate it must be legal to be issued non-valid marriage licenses.

                          Are we going to tolerance civil disobedience like this? They have a balatant disregard for the civil law.

                          Dan
                          So you will agree that there is nothing Un-Consitutional about this?

                          And, for the record, this country was founded on Civil Disobedience.

                          Just becuase you are uptight about the way they like to take it doesn't mean they shoudn't be allowed to get married.
                          "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tim McBride
                            So you will agree that there is nothing Un-Consitutional about this?

                            And, for the record, this country was founded on Civil Disobedience.

                            Just becuase you are uptight about the way they like to take it doesn't mean they shoudn't be allowed to get married.
                            Sure, I agree with you, this country was founded upon civil disobedience, at least we fought for just reasons.

                            Gay marriages isn't a just reason. It's just socially preverted.

                            But then, I'm sure you don't mind children marrying adults, people marrying animals, and all sorts of kinky marriages to be permitted, after all, we shouldn't interfere with their "pursuit of happiness and liberty"? Please don't claim otherwise. After all, we are talking about people being happy, right?

                            There are lines drawn somewhere, and gays just crossed that line.

                            Frankly, I think it's time to write a constitutional amendment deciding once for all the real definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Or are you going to claim we shouldn't do that?

                            I guarantee you this: this issue with gay marriages is going to open the floodgate to all kinds of social illnesses.

                            Dan
                            Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

                            "Aim small, miss small."

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                            • #15
                              Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions!

                              Mayor: What do you mean "biblical"?

                              Dr. Raymond Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor. Real wrath of God type stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

                              Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, and volcanos!

                              Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!

                              Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifices, dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!

                              And more cut and paste, from those who have more time to come up with this stuff, than I do...


                              By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

                              Friendly sex shops. Peet's. Dog parks. Stellar restaurants. Superlative tattoo artists. Fabulous weather. Unparalleled natural beauty. Organic foods. Fewer SUVs, more Priuses. Mission burritos. An overwhelming anti-Schwarzenegger sentiment. Sushi. Bush never visits.

                              There are things that make you happy to live in San Francisco, truly grateful, along with plenty of things that make you hyper-aware that you live in the country's most progressive open-minded convoluted messed-up liberal bubble, for both good and ill.

                              But few are the things that transcend mere gratitude, things that our struggling budget-strapped modern metropolis has offered of late that makes you say, oh my God, I am right now so incredibly proud to say I live here, I mean just look what we're doing, look what ground we are breaking, what stagnant trends we are blasting, what history we are making.

                              But for the moment, that's all changed. There is one astounding beacon of political and social (and romantic) action about which San Franciscans can be truly emboldened: The move to legalize same-sex marriage, to hold genuine same-sex wedding ceremonies, this should make any progressive soul proud to live in this amazing city. Deeply, genuinely, thoroughly.

                              Here's why: No matter what the final outcome, this past week will go down as one of those defining moments, a seminal point in American history. It hearkens back to the civil rights movement and to women's suffrage, though with less screaming chanting effigy-burning marches and beatings by angry cops, and more roses and warm-hearted grins and life-affirming smooches on the steps of city hall.

                              It was a delicious and heartwarming historic spectacle indeed, and there was simply no way for any person of any elevated consciousness or spiritual awareness -- anyone with any heart whatsoever -- to witness the huge line of happy, eager same-sex couples snaking around city hall and not be deeply moved, profoundly touched.

                              I was there. I saw the lines, the smiles, felt the intense emotional energy. It was simply irrefutable: These are people in love. These are couples who have been together for years, decades, who have started families and raised children and set up homes replete with dogs and dinner parties and antiques and regular shopping excursions to Safeway and the mall. You know, just like "real" Americans.

                              These are couples who are willing to go the distance, to commit and connect, and who are eager to prove to themselves and the world that their love is something true and real and momentous, something that, in truth, can only serve to reignite and reunite our stagnant, fractured, contentious, 50 percent-divorce-rate nation. Hey, we need all the help we can get.

                              And one other thing was very apparent: It was a situation in which you simply could not imagine anyone hurling gobs of intolerant hate at it. It would have required a serious amount of nasty, inbred ignorance and appalling nerve to march up to any of the passionate and committed couples waiting patiently in line for their marriage ceremony and say, you know, God hates you for this, you immoral disgusting sodomites, and it's intolerable and unacceptable that you wish to love and honor each other till death do you part.

                              Which, yes indeed, is exactly what a great many antigay groups are doing, in effect, right now.

                              But here's the best part: The City's brave move was not merely a giant well-manicured middle finger to the Christian Right and indignant homophobic conservatives everywhere.

                              Nor was it just an audacious act of civil disobedience, guaranteed to raise the ire of Bible thumpers and so-called pro-family groups hailing everywhere from Orange County to Colorado Springs. That's just a nice bonus.

                              It was, more than anything, an incredible celebration of love. The more than 2,600 wedding ceremonies performed so far were the purest evidence, an irrefutable outpouring of the most wondrous and messy and baffling and orgasmic and desperately needed of human emotions, the air electric and warm, the ceremonies themselves radiant and poignant and genuinely tearful.

                              And no question became so clear, so obvious, as the one being asked by same-sex-marriage advocates around the world: What, really, is so wrong about this? What is the horrible threat about two adults who love each other so intensely, so purely, that they're willing to commit to a lifetime of being together and sleeping together and arguing over who controls the remote? And what government body dares to claim a right to legislate against it?

                              It is a question no group, no homophobic senator, no piece of antigay legislation, no BushCo stump speech, no Bible-humping pastor has been able to answer with any clarity or conviction.

                              They can only mumble about immorality and quote some vague Scripture about sodomy that makes them all tingly, as wary biblical scholars all over the world roll their eyes and point to a thousand proofs that demonstrate, over and over again, how the Bible is basically a reinterpreted regurgitated piece of classic patriarchal misogynistic mythmaking that says exactly what the church rewrote it to say.

                              But I might have part of an answer. From what I can glean from some of my hate mail and the general conservative outcry, here is what the homophobes fear about same-sex marriage: bestiality.

                              That is, they are utterly terrified that same-sex marriage is a slippery slope of permissive debauchery that will lead to the utter breakdown of social rules and sexual mores, to people being allowed to marry their dogs, or their own dead grandmothers, or chairs, or three hairy men from Miami Beach.

                              In short, to the neocon Right, a nation that allows gays to marry is a nation with no boundaries and no condoms and where all sorts of illicit disgusting behaviors will soon be legal and be forced upon them, a horrific tribal wasteland full of leeches and flying bugs and scary sex acts they only read about in chat rooms and their beloved "Left Behind" series of cute apocalypse-porn books.

                              You know, just like how giving blacks the right to own their own land meant we had to give the same rights to house plants and power tools, or how granting women the right to vote meant it was a slippery slope until we gave suffrage to feral cats and sea slugs and rusty hubcaps.

                              This, then, is why it is a time to be incredibly proud. San Francisco is slapping this moronic worldview back to the dank basement of subhuman intellect, where it belongs. We have broken the taboo, challenged the ignorant and the easily terrified, made it beautifully clear that what matters most in a modern society is not unfounded, naive fears, not uptight religious puling, but a humane and equal, joyous sense of love for all.

                              The war is far from over. It will be a brutal battle, with much hate yet to be spewed, much Bible waving and law mangling accompanying what will undoubtedly be a slow, painful sea change for a very uptight, easily terrified American society.

                              But S.F. has taken the lead, has sounded the battle cry, has defined itself anew. And for that, more than any other of its wonders, I am incredibly proud that I live in San Francisco, the best city in the whole ******* world -- gay, straight or anywhere in between.
                              I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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