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    This was on Nightline last week. It seems that a group of conservative students at the University of Texas became outraged at a liberal professor who took up class time to go on a rant about how much he hated GWB. So they formed a watchdog group to put all professors on notice that deviating from classroom instruction to air personal opinions would not be tolerated. Some of these professors feel that this watchdog group have sent spies into thier classroom to ensure compliance. Of course the Liberals feel that this is an assault on the first amendment, that this would restrict the flow of ideas in an institute of higher learning. On the other hand Conservatives feel that they are spending a lot of money on a class to learn the subject matter, they are not spending this money to hear about how much the professor hates GWB. It also seems that other schools also rate professors on how well they stick to the subect of the class. So is this an assault on free speech, or do students have a right to have the professor stick to teaching?
    Last edited by Priest; 01 Dec 03, 16:00.

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    Unless it relates to the subject matter the proffesor needs to shut it, bush hater or lover.

    _Tim
    "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tim McBride
      Unless it relates to the subject matter the proffesor needs to shut it, bush hater or lover.

      _Tim



      I agree totally. The students are there to study that subject. Alot of teachers at my high school pull this stunt with there students and try to press there beliefs and views on impressionable teenagers. The teachers are getting paid to teach a subject not there own personal views.

      I think that the teachers if they insist on presenting there views need to let someone present the other side so that the students can pick and don't get a one sided glimpse of the world.

      Think about it
      Last edited by SoccerDJ; 02 Dec 03, 15:15.

      Thanks for looking!!

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      • #4
        Hello,

        When I think of it, I soon realize in my twelve years of childhood schooling and five years of college, I've never met a conservative teacher, not even one! I am genuinely shocked and saddened by this.

        The liberals have completely taken the control of education. I am more convinced than ever that we need to overhaul the educational system just to break up the liberals' grip on the students and teachers alike.

        Dan
        Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

        "Aim small, miss small."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cheetah772
          Hello,

          When I think of it, I soon realize in my twelve years of childhood schooling and five years of college, I've never met a conservative teacher, not even one! I am genuinely shocked and saddened by this.

          The liberals have completely taken the control of education. I am more convinced than ever that we need to overhaul the educational system just to break up the liberals' grip on the students and teachers alike.

          Dan

          I would hope our goal in overhauling the education system would be getting students a real education, not achieving politcal parity.....
          "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tim McBride
            I would hope our goal in overhauling the education system would be getting students a real education, not achieving politcal parity.....
            The idea of a neutral educational system is foolhardy and unrealistic. No one can be truly objective when it comes down to educating the young generations of our country. I know I can't be objective if I were an educator.

            That is why I would rather to have the parents get more involved with their own children's education, after all, they are the only ones who don't have to be objective when teaching their own children. They're fully well within their parental rights.

            Dan
            Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

            "Aim small, miss small."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cheetah772
              The idea of a neutral educational system is foolhardy and unrealistic. No one can be truly objective when it comes down to educating the young generations of our country. I know I can't be objective if I were an educator.



              Dan
              So how can they teach philosophy?
              Scientists have announced they've discovered a cure for apathy. However no one has shown the slightest bit of interest !!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tigersqn
                So how can they teach philosophy?
                See? That's why I can't be objective when it comes down to educating children.

                No offense, but philosophy doesn't interest me a bit. I would rather study history over philosophy as I have no interests in old geezers with no social life, always sitting on their butts all the day long, thinking, "Why?! Why is the life unfair to me?!"

                I've got better things to do than reading some philosophies!

                Dan
                Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

                "Aim small, miss small."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cheetah772
                  See? That's why I can't be objective when it comes down to educating children.

                  No offense, but philosophy doesn't interest me a bit. I would rather study history over philosophy as I have no interests in old geezers with no social life, always sitting on their butts all the day long, thinking, "Why?! Why is the life unfair to me?!"

                  I've got better things to do than reading some philosophies!

                  Dan

                  Like playing war games

                  Thanks for looking!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Priest
                    So is this an assault on free speech, or do students have a right to have the professor stick to teaching?
                    Would they also report a prof that went on a pro-Bush rant? Some subjects often need some personal opinion involved, so shutting it down completely might not be realistic. If these rants are constant and eat up a lot of the class time, then something should be said, whether the rants are pro or anti Bush.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      ... as I have no interests in old geezers with no social life, always sitting on their butts all the day long, thinking, "Why?! Why is the life unfair to me?!"
                      Careful now, you're hitting close to home
                      And we are here as on a darkling plain
                      Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
                      Where ignorant armies clash by night.


                      Matthew Arnold

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Martin Schenkel
                        Would they also report a prof that went on a pro-Bush rant?
                        Yes, even though GWB was the example here it was a case against a professor using his or her classroom as a bully pulpit. For example in one of my philosphy classes, logic to be exact, the professor went on an anti-Custer rant. Even though I agreed with her, I felt that the rant was not appropriate for this class.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cheetah772
                          The idea of a neutral educational system is foolhardy and unrealistic. No one can be truly objective when it comes down to educating the young generations of our country. I know I can't be objective if I were an educator.
                          Man....Did you read what I wrote. I said political parity is a false hood, we should be concerned with giving kids a good education.

                          IE Neutrality is foolish.


                          I don't give a flying f**k what a teachers politics are as long as they stay on subject and teach the class well. A Socialist Democrat can teach math as well as a big oil republican, becuase politics have no bearing on the subject matter.

                          You are right it is the parents job to help influence politics; if they don't work with the kid it is there own fault.
                          "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Martin Schenkel
                            Would they also report a prof that went on a pro-Bush rant? Some subjects often need some personal opinion involved, so shutting it down completely might not be realistic. If these rants are constant and eat up a lot of the class time, then something should be said, whether the rants are pro or anti Bush.
                            Personally if a math teacher went off on a pro love Bush speach I would be annoyed to all hell, I am there to learn math not politics.

                            On the other hand a Current Events style class most certainly should cover Bush; but the best method would be for the teacher to stay out of it and have the students present the muliple views.
                            "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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                            • #15
                              Alot depends on the topic of the class. As Tim McBride said, if a math teacher goes off about Bush's political actions, they are in the wrong. However, there are numerous courses that demand observation and interpretation of current events. There is a limit to how far an instructor should go. Yet, I believe their personal observations and conclusions are critical to development.

                              The instructor must find ways to express their conclusions in a manner that doesn't restrict independent development by individual students. This is easier said than done.
                              "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil that they set out to destroy."-Christopher Dawson - The Judgement of Nations, 1942

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