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  • Enough is.... enough?

    Economy in ruins (dont try to convince me its looking up again)
    Least favorable position of foreign policy that we've had in a long time
    Social Security definitely not reformed
    Yeah lets not get into medicare
    All the children have been left behind
    Even the power grids dont work

    AND BUSH IS GOING TO BE RE-ELECTED

    I dont know how as a party they manage to do it.. but the democrats are spending so much time arguing amongst themselves that they will probably blow the '04 election. Bush has given them more ammo than an underground feyadeen cache.. and they're still doing diddly. Will Bush get re-elected just because the dems are too busy yelling at Al Sharpton.. oh boy.
    Doesn't read Al Franken, can't watch Al Jazeera, will attack dumbasses. Anyone but Rumsfeld '04.

  • #2
    Hello,

    Don't look so disappointed, my dear kid, it's just the beginning of Bush's Golden Age...enough to make a lot of liberals en masse to France!

    Anyway, the economy is recovering no matter how you don't want to believe it.

    The Social Security was already breaking down long before Bush got into the office, just ask any other former Democratic president! Don't blame it on Bush after all FDR, a Democrat, was one who set up the Social Security...it's Democrats' problem, not mine or Bush's.

    We are stronger than ever before. Our military might is intact, it's just that nobody in the world has guts enough to admit that one and everybody wants to depend on the US for defense and their own interests. Wake up and smell coffee, it's about high time that USA simply tell the world, "Build your own army if you don't like what we're doing." No longer USA will act as a sort of nanny for the world's problems.

    No children has been left behind, it's responsibility of parents to teach their own children the right ways and make sure they get good education, it's not the government's job to do that. The US government is not a nanny for everybody. The USA was not founded upon cradle-to-grave theory. You take care of your own.

    The power grids are working just fine, hell, it's way better than Italy...which its nationalized power grids actually went out all over Italy compared to USA's northeastern portion only. The biggest problem was inadaquete transmission systems and poor maintainence of various electrical facilities that needed upgrades badly. The power only went out for a day or two. That's it. Bush has nothing to do with it. That was something Bush never had any control over to start with. It was the US electrical companies' responsibilities to make sure the electricity isn't disputed with.

    And finally, YES, I love it, Bush is going to be re-elected! Tough luck! You had eight years of Clinton, a traitor and an adulterer. So sit back and enjoy Bush's second term!

    Don't expect me to shred tears over Democrats arguing amongst themselves. In fact, I take sheer joy in watching Democrat candidates tripping over each other, confused whether to smear each other or Bush. I just simply laugh at such idiocy of these Democrats....

    Dan
    Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

    "Aim small, miss small."

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    • #3
      Good post Dan, I agree with everything you said.

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      • #4
        Dan,

        Amen brother!!!! You saved me from having to type a lengthy response myself. Liberalism/socialism has failed. I only wish folks would realize it and move on. GO BUSH.

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        • #5
          Let me put my two cents in.

          Dan, Dam good.

          Couldn't of said it any better then the way you did.

          Go Bush!
          Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent.

          I am attacking --Ferdinand Foch-- at the Battle of the Marne

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          • #6
            Way to go Dan, good post! (just going with the flow here)
            "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

            Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chuck
              Way to go Dan, good post! (just going with the flow here)
              Chuck seems to have succumbed to the highly infectious strain of Republicanism that is sweeping the nation. Symptoms include a total lack of coherent or original thought, high exciteability, and bouts of blindingly patriotic fever. I suggest that you take two over priced pharmaceutical tablets, wrap yourself in a warm flag and call me in the morning.
              I have no problem at all with being proved wrong. Especially when being proved wrong leaves the world a better place, than being proved right...

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              • #8
                *rains on parade*

                Originally posted by Cheetah772
                The Social Security... it's Democrats' problem, not mine or Bush's.
                It doesn't matter who started it, it's every American's problem now that 90% of you are paying into an unsustainable program.

                Every successive President that doesn't reform SS should be publically whipped. Any President that spends the SS 'surplus' should receive twice as many lashings.

                But it's a perfect example of everything that's wrong with American politics - mind-numbing partisanship. Put some democrats and republicans into a burning building and they'd rather argue over who started it or whose fault it is rather than, oh I don't know, putting the damn fire out?

                "Build your own army if you don't like what we're doing."
                North Korea and Iran are. They decided nukes are the cheap way to equalize American conventional power. It doesn't seem like you're a big fan of it though.

                When Myer's said bluntly that American doctrine is now to maintain US supremacy by any means necessary... and with things like the US attempt to get Galileo scrapped (to keep Europe dependent on the US)... it became pretty clear which way your government and Bush want it.

                it's responsibility of parents to teach their own children the right ways and make sure they get good education, it's not the government's job to do that.
                I know this is a tough concept for most conservatives to grasp, but times change. When 95% of the jobs out there were doable by a chimp with a weeks worth of training, you didn't need a highly educated citizenry. But **** happens. Time progresses. Technology improves. No amount of prayer or divine intervention will prevent that.

                I pity the politician dumb enough to abolish public funding of education. I really do. But if you want America to become a 3rd-world backwater, by all means. It's your country afterall.

                The power grids are working just fine, hell, it's way better than Italy...which its nationalized power grids actually went out all over Italy compared to USA's northeastern portion only.
                The US power grid might be in better shape than the Italian power grid, but saying it is so because only the eastern portion went out is just naive - the Eastern power grid is not connected to any of the other North American grids.

                The differences between the way Italy runs its grids and America runs its grids are massive. You'd need to heavily research the regulation involved in both countries before you could even formulate an opinion on which system is better... at least an opinion that is more informed than what a magic 8-ball would tell you. The magic 8-ball might still have the edge though, seeing as its impartial.

                And finally, YES, I love it, Bush is going to be re-elected!
                I hope not, but a distinct possibility. Although, also possible that he'll lose. If he does, take a snapspot of your face the moment its announced. I'll put your kid through college for it. Well okay, maybe community college. And he/she would have to live at home to keep expenses down.
                "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

                – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JAMiAM
                  Chuck seems to have succumbed to the highly infectious strain of Republicanism that is sweeping the nation. Symptoms include a total lack of coherent or original thought, high exciteability, and bouts of blindingly patriotic fever. I suggest that you take two over priced pharmaceutical tablets, wrap yourself in a warm flag and call me in the morning.
                  Help, I have the sudden desire to get an American flag pin and join the 700 club...
                  "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

                  Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MikeJ
                    *rains on parade*

                    It doesn't matter who started it, it's every American's problem now that 90% of you are paying into an unsustainable program.
                    Yes, and I suggested that we simply solve the problem by cutting off or shutting down the Social Security. No offense, I would rather face 1,000 crazed seniors than being forced to accept that with Social Security intact, America could very well go on a spending spree that it couldn't very well afford to. Even if it means destroying the Republicans' reputation for a couple of decades or more.

                    I want America to think long-term, and more focused on other things than trying to take care of elders and other people, because after all, it is the responsibility of people to invest wisely and carefully so that they will have enough money to sustain themselves long after their retirement.

                    Every successive President that doesn't reform SS should be publically whipped. Any President that spends the SS 'surplus' should receive twice as many lashings.
                    Whatever you say, MikeJ. I would rather to have a president whipped if he can get rid of Social Security programs. Like I said, it isn't America's responsibility to take care of its own people, a sort of cradle-to-grave theory.

                    But it's a perfect example of everything that's wrong with American politics - mind-numbing partisanship. Put some democrats and republicans into a burning building and they'd rather argue over who started it or whose fault it is rather than, oh I don't know, putting the damn fire out?
                    Like you don't have partisanship in Canada? I don't believe it. It's the reality of politics, otherwise you can't really call it politics, now can you?

                    North Korea and Iran are. They decided nukes are the cheap way to equalize American conventional power. It doesn't seem like you're a big fan of it though.

                    When Myer's said bluntly that American doctrine is now to maintain US supremacy by any means necessary... and with things like the US attempt to get Galileo scrapped (to keep Europe dependent on the US)... it became pretty clear which way your government and Bush want it.
                    Are North Korea and Iran really defending themselves or their own regimes which ran on principles of terror and force? I think it's not about the national defense, rather, it is about saving the regimes' faces than their own countries. Saddam had ambitions not to glorify his own country, but his name, nothing but a typical tyrant. It's the same with North Korea and Iran. They could care less if their own people are rotting in streets, they're more concerned with preservng tyrannical powers.

                    And, it's called American hegemony, surely Europe knows something of this, and still have ambitions...well, it's about time Europe not to hijack American military for their own purposes.

                    I know this is a tough concept for most conservatives to grasp, but times change. When 95% of the jobs out there were doable by a chimp with a weeks worth of training, you didn't need a highly educated citizenry. But **** happens. Time progresses. Technology improves. No amount of prayer or divine intervention will prevent that.

                    I pity the politician dumb enough to abolish public funding of education. I really do. But if you want America to become a 3rd-world backwater, by all means. It's your country afterall.
                    And I pity the politician dumb enough to think public funding actually solves everything. Enough said.

                    Again, it is the people's sole responsibility to educate themselves, not the federal government. Anyway, more and more companies are seeing the benefits of setting up their own job trainings and at times endorse some universities so they could match what the companies are doing in field or office. Really, it is best left to the states making their own decisions, rather than the federal government. A huge amount of money from the federal government is pouring into states, and nowhere does the money really do whole a lot good.

                    The US power grid might be in better shape than the Italian power grid, but saying it is so because only the eastern portion went out is just naive - the Eastern power grid is not connected to any of the other North American grids.

                    The differences between the way Italy runs its grids and America runs its grids are massive. You'd need to heavily research the regulation involved in both countries before you could even formulate an opinion on which system is better... at least an opinion that is more informed than what a magic 8-ball would tell you. The magic 8-ball might still have the edge though, seeing as its impartial.
                    Granted you're right. But Headshot was making a bug fuss over whether the electrical power grids don't work or not when in fact, they're just working fine. Every system has glitches all the time. In any case, it's hardly a disaster -- the power was out only for a day, life goes on. For Italy, it was a disaster, literally power went out across Italy. It might very well the first time that an industrialized country had its power grids blown out completely.

                    I hope not, but a distinct possibility. Although, also possible that he'll lose. If he does, take a snapspot of your face the moment its announced. I'll put your kid through college for it. Well okay, maybe community college. And he/she would have to live at home to keep expenses down.
                    I wonder if Bush loses, and someone from the Democrat party comes in, but does a horrible job, will you beg for another Republican president or not? Or will you simply defending that Democrat president to death? It's really funny...at least to me.

                    Finally, GO GO GO GO BUSH GO GO GO GO!!!!!!

                    Dan
                    Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

                    "Aim small, miss small."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      Anyway, the economy is recovering no matter how you don't want to believe it.
                      Okay then, how about moving beyond recovery. The word recovery suggest a steady improvement. I don't believe our economy can justify such a statement.

                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      The Social Security was already breaking down long before Bush got into the office, just ask any other former Democratic president! Don't blame it on Bush after all FDR, a Democrat, was one who set up the Social Security...it's Democrats' problem, not mine or Bush's.
                      As MikeJ correctly pointed out, everyone is more concerned with blaming rather than fixing the problem. It is our problem. And if we don't fix it, we will be suffer as a result of it. I don't know about you, but I doubt I'm going to be a rich man. One day we're going to be old, fragile, and in need of assistance. The Social Security system can, if managed appropriately provide us with the opportunity to focus all our energy on building a better tomorrow for our children instead of worrying about our own status when we are less useful. That is how the America we brag about was established. Remember, right about the time social security came about, so did a surge in American might.

                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      We are stronger than ever before. Our military might is intact, it's just that nobody in the world has guts enough to admit that one and everybody wants to depend on the US for defense and their own interests. Wake up and smell coffee, it's about high time that USA simply tell the world, "Build your own army if you don't like what we're doing." No longer USA will act as a sort of nanny for the world's problems.
                      You talk as though America is a country with endless resources. Our dominance exists only because the world chose to work with, and not against the United States. While I support the ideal of an independent foriegn policy agenda, I also recognize and appreciate just how important the international community is to our survival.

                      The US might win the arms race for now. However, with it will come the kind of discontent that struck down every empire before us. After WWII, we convinced millions to abandon culture, history, and ideals to accept a subordinate role to the US. Today, America needs to combine leadership, ingeniuity and resolve with compassion, cooperation, and acceptance.

                      Believe it or not, it is more the US against the world than the world against the US. And as hard as it might be to imagine now, given our presence course America's days as a great nation are numbered. Great empires fall when their ideals fail to evolve at the same pace as the world around them. Bush seems determined to once again show future historians how not to maintain dominance.

                      America is nothing without allies. We need the world more than they need us. It would be a mistake to ask 5.75 billion people to prove that to our 250 million. We should not play robocop. However, abandoning the international community to it's own fate degrades the importance of America.

                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      No children has been left behind, it's responsibility of parents to teach their own children the right ways and make sure they get good education, it's not the government's job to do that. The US government is not a nanny for everybody. The USA was not founded upon cradle-to-grave theory. You take care of your own.
                      As MikeJ said, Times have changed. Many conservatives are so hell-bent on preventing socialism, they are willing to compromise the nation as a whole. Abraham Lincoln once asked whether or not it was possible to preserve the Constitution, but loose the nation. The frightening answer to that question is yes. The people, not some 200 year old piece of paper makes our nation what it is.

                      Originally posted by Cheetah772
                      And finally, YES, I love it, Bush is going to be re-elected! Tough luck! You had eight years of Clinton, a traitor and an adulterer. So sit back and enjoy Bush's second term!
                      If Bush represents all that is good in conservatism, I'll be proud to serve the Democrats. I'm an American first. I side with whoever shares my views. And to be honest, at this stage, I must say both parties are not worth recognition, let alone deserving of my respect.

                      When Bush came into power, I recall thinking, "Thank God, our military is saved." Yet, today, I find myself more concerned about the men and women who serve this country than ever before. Bush is no better than Clinton. Right now, our soldiers need a leader who doesn't care about winning, appeasing contributors, or showing off for the world. It needs a leader who will walk through the fire with them, and never leave them behind. It needs a leader who will tell reporters, "I'm busy trying to win this one."

                      If Bush wants to win back my support, he will stop campaigning for an American that should not exists. I'm proud enough of this country to admit we are no longer the superpower, but simply a power. Bush is hell-bent on proving to the world that we're still the greatest. Bush does not represent all that is good in America. At worse, he is a living-breathing example of all our flaws.
                      "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil that they set out to destroy."-Christopher Dawson - The Judgement of Nations, 1942

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cheetah772
                        Yes, and I suggested that we simply solve the problem by cutting off or shutting down the Social Security.
                        Well then, perhaps blaming FDR (in case you didn't know he died over a half century ago) is a little counter-productive?

                        Like you don't have partisanship in Canada? I don't believe it.
                        If you're ever up in Canada, tune in and watch a debate in the house. You'll probably feel like you're watching a foreign film or something.

                        There's partisanship everywhere, but the US probably has it worse than any other liberal democracy out there. Take a look at our federal election history sometime, it'll probably surprise you.

                        Hell, I voted for the BC Liberals (provincial) in our last election. They're probably the most right-wing government at any level in Canada right now. The left-wing government in power previously pissed us away into debt (kind like Bush is doing with the American economy now)... so the BC Liberals came in and slashed and burned and are enforcing strict fiscal discipline. Nobody in BC really likes them (except big business) because of the huge cuts they made to damn near everything they were funding... but the voters recognized the necessity of having them in power to clean up the mess that was our economic policy. They utterly trounced the NDP - so bad that the NDP didn't even get official opposition status. Yep, a ton of partisanship here!

                        In the last and next federal elections, I'm going to vote for an MP whose party I would never want to see in power - the NDP (far-left). He's been re-elected in my riding every election since 1979. Most of the constituents are not supporters of the NDP, but the guy is honest and works very hard. Most of the voters here trust him and vote for him. Yep, a ton of partisanship here!

                        There's not nearly as much 'party loyalty' in Canada like there is in the US. I guess that's more a by-product of a two-party 'old boys club'.

                        Are North Korea and Iran really defending themselves or their own regimes
                        So what's the distinction you're making? They're looking out for their own interests. In these cases, survival of the regime. Either way, their interests conflict with yours and that's exactly what you're complaining that Europe should do. Bear in mind, the last time "Old Europe" stood up for its own interests (and they didn't even use raw power, but soft power) the American right (yourself included) wouldn't let us hear the end of it. Traitors, cowards, cheese-eating surrender monkeys... I can only imagine your outrage if France, Russia, Germany and China dispatched 'peacekeepers' into Iraq and started killing American soldiers.

                        So do you want them to pursue their own policy with the power to back that up... so you'll have something to whine about? Is that it?

                        This reminds me of the American rights position on the UN...

                        The UN does something that is perceived to be infringing on soveriengty of the US and boy we never hear the end of the "pull out of the UN now!" commentary and how nobody has the right to infringe on American sovereignty. Then the US launches an intervention, ostensibly to 'uphold the UN' (in case you didn't catch this: this kind of intervention is incompatible with the basic UN unit of nations/national sovereignty).

                        Again I ask, which is it? Or is it just more confused and contradictory American rightist ideology (seems to be a theme here).

                        And I pity the politician dumb enough to think public funding actually solves everything. Enough said.
                        Nobody said it solves everything. That's just what you said to make it look like you still have a point.

                        If you don't mind the American economy crumbling at its foundations, then by all means, dispose of publically funded education. I dare any politician to do it.

                        I'd rather see it stay... reformed.. but stay.. afterall.. if the US economy collapses you're taking the rest of us with you.

                        But Headshot was making a bug fuss over whether the electrical power grids don't work or not when in fact, they're just working fine.
                        I don't think they're fine. When the blackouts happened I did a lot of reading and the power grids of most of the first world are in a state of neglect. In some cases that's because the government has just ignored the problems. In others its a case of regulations that offer no incentive for the corporations to really maintain their sections of the grid at anything but a minimal level (the US falls into this category).

                        They need major reinvestment... the Bush administration itself aknowledged this. It's no secret. I don't think it's fair to pin this on Bush (though fair critisism would be if he did nothing about it, just like if he leaves social security in its bankrupt state), but it is a pressing concern and if we pretend its all fine and dandy we're going to be in for a real shocker in the future.

                        I wonder if Bush loses, and someone from the Democrat party comes in, but does a horrible job, will you beg for another Republican president or not? Or will you simply defending that Democrat president to death? It's really funny...at least to me.
                        If there's a Bush equivelant in the Democratic Party and he/she takes office I'll be happy to see him/her kicked out. As long as the alternative isn't Bush. Bush is about as bad as it gets. Religious baggage that makes its way into government policy, close ties to the oil and weapons sectors that makes its way into government policy, trade protectionist (while preaching about free trade no less), no fiscal discipline and is surrounded by people exactly like him.

                        No sir... I don't think it gets much worse than Bush.
                        "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."

                        – Associate Justice Louis D. Brandeis, Olmstead vs. United States.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chuck
                          Help, I have the sudden desire to get an American flag pin and join the 700 club...
                          ahh ahh no not you.. all we have left is jamian.. oh lord no
                          Doesn't read Al Franken, can't watch Al Jazeera, will attack dumbasses. Anyone but Rumsfeld '04.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MikeJ

                            If there's a Bush equivelant in the Democratic Party and he/she takes office I'll be happy to see him/her kicked out. As long as the alternative isn't Bush. Bush is about as bad as it gets. Religious baggage that makes its way into government policy, close ties to the oil and weapons sectors that makes its way into government policy, trade protectionist (while preaching about free trade no less), no fiscal discipline and is surrounded by people exactly like him.

                            No sir... I don't think it gets much worse than Bush.

                            It makes no difference to me who replaces Bush, heck I wish McCain would run against him as an "actual non crazed right wing wacko republican" uhm some party that would be. It doesn't matter what party Bush belongs too, he's screwed up, a lot, and on more than one front. Lets just hope if a Dem wins, they get re-elected, cuz lord knows I dont want to see Hillary running in '08. The real problem with politics is that its so polarized. I can't like the democrats without being a soy milk drinking goatee wearing Howard Deanie, or be a fan of the elephants without toting around a copy of the latest Sean Hanidy book as i drive my Buick century listening to Rush, and taking notes on my www.godhatesfags.com clipboard. Nowadays youre either with Franken or Limbaugh.. and I've always fancied SNL.


                            Oh and about that hyperlink, feel free to visit one of the most offensive and horrifying uses of religon that I have ever seen. Particularly their plan to make a Mathew Sheaperd memorial commemorating his "entry into hell". It would seem that this has nothing to do with anything, but there was actually a westboro baptist church fundraiser dinner to help the Bush campaign, now this isnt the only thing they preach, but it seems like a big enough thing.
                            Last edited by Headshot; 09 Nov 03, 22:21.
                            Doesn't read Al Franken, can't watch Al Jazeera, will attack dumbasses. Anyone but Rumsfeld '04.

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                            • #15
                              Help us all!

                              I am as libertarian as people get around here and even I don't think we should abolish Social Security or Public schooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              I think both need heavy and serious reform but not abolishment.
                              "Have you forgotten the face of your father?"

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