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  • Deep down, how many of us really just love all this war stuff?

    I admit I do.

    But then…. I’m kinda different aren’t I? Well maybe not different so much as ….special?
    That’s how I introduced this subject when I helped run this jaw-dropper back in my glory days (oh god I could go on and on about them - my idea of heaven is a 1972 to 1977 that NEVER EVER ends!).

    Against my better judgment I’ve tentatively agreed to embark on a revival/review of the topic for a modern audience (if I ever do get to do so of course!)

    Now the thing is of course that everyone says war is terrible, that what happened in Europe and Asia between say 1937 and 1945 was a descent into the abyss, must never happen again .

    Many people keep the degree of their fascination about the subject hidden from co-workers or associates, usually saying something like: “Oh yeah I’ve always been interested in ‘military' history” or just admit lamely to being a general ‘history buff’

    Or they may say something along the lines of: “I’m not a war-lover I‘m just interested in what happened in WWII because my dad, uncle, old maths teacher or family friend served at Tobruk, Anzio, Normandy, Hurtgen Forest etc. etc.

    But come admit it….it’s really a bit more than that…isn’t it?

    I’ve been asked many times including by my kids (one of whom is a military history, war-gaming buff but not a geek as such) why I’m so interested in WWII and military history in general.
    I find it hard to put my finger on it but just say it’s just kinda addictive.

    War is fascinating…just fascinating is it not?…..and not morbidly so.

    What was that line from the old Patton movie?
    Something like: “Compared to war all other forms of human endeavour pale into insignificance.”
    See what I’m getting at?

    If it really is so horrible why, after we admit it, do we not move beyond it quickly?
    Why do we keep coming back to it so readily?
    Why not develop a new obsession (and yes it is an obsession for I imagine; most of us on the Forum)?
    Bongo drumming perhaps?

    Hmmmmmmm…….over to you people

    Looking forward to your input

    Regards lodestar

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    As thread is not specific to World War Two moved to the Barracks
    Thank you ACG Staff

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    • #3
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #4
        I love reading and learning about it (WW2 in particular). I think my interest in it was caused by the fact my father was in it.

        “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” -- Albert Einstein

        The US Constitution doesn't need to be rewritten it needs to be reread

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        • #5
          So big gun barrels are phallic symbols?

          What does that make bombs and rockets?

          Oh...never mind.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Loadstar, read General Shermans thoughts on war. Soom of his quotes seem to fit you very well.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lodestar View Post
              What was that line from the old Patton movie?
              Something like: “Compared to war all other forms of human endeavour pale into insignificance.”
              See what I’m getting at?

              If it really is so horrible why, after we admit it, do we not move beyond it quickly?
              Why do we keep coming back to it so readily?
              Why not develop a new obsession (and yes it is an obsession for I imagine; most of us on the Forum)?
              Bongo drumming perhaps?
              Politicians like war, because since war is such a monumental endeavor, it inflates their egos. Perverts like you elevate poor or mediocre leaders into heroes for no other reason than they've led a polity through a war.

              The way our world lines up these days, war cannot be honestly viewed as a triumph of the statesman's art: it is a failure, and about the worst one imaginable. In this world of unparalleled material prosperity filtering to the poorest and remotest of people, there has never been so little excuse for war as there is now -- and that's really saying something, when one considers how little excuse there was for the great majority of history's wars. If you find yourself so exceptionally fascinated by the topic, perhaps it's because you enjoy analyzing train wrecks in slow motion. Or perhaps you're like me: you can't possibly fathom how intelligent and educated people can so consistently fck up so magnificently and so repeatedly.

              Hey John: Sherman's points are a must read -- but Grant's reveal the whole shebang.
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #8
                Obsessed with war? Nope. I am obsessed with people. For a shaved chimp we are a fascinating beast and war shows us at our best and worst and sometimes those things are being done by the same people on the same day.

                I am also fascinated how blind luck plays much more of a part in human history then anyone feels comfortable with.

                I still get down on bended knee and give thanks that I, and my generation never got to fight in one.
                "Sometimes its better to light a flamethrower than to curse the darkness" T Pratchett

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                • #9
                  That war stuff scared the livin' hell out of me...still does.
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                  • #10
                    Interest in war as a guilty pleasure (porn)?

                    Originally posted by skiplc View Post
                    That war stuff scared the livin' hell out of me...still does.
                    Yes that's what most veterans say.
                    Certainly both my parents who went through it all in France, Poland and Germany in '39-45 and both spent time in the tender care of the Third Reich would have agreed with you.

                    But I'm really talking about military and history buffs 99.9% of whom I assume never have and probably never will hear a shot fired in anger.

                    Some posters on this forum for example must spend most of their spare bloody time researching, writing and posting about military related subjects.

                    Like I said in my OP, assisted in some tutes about the 'fascination of the (pre-Star Wars) dark side,.
                    Thought it might be a good one to revive.

                    Regards lodestar

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                    • #11
                      There's certainly a fascination for the drama (glamour?) of warfare: the story of mankind is regularly punctuated by conflict,at all levels and there's no sign of it ceasing.

                      Samuel Johnson said as much in the eighteenth century,"Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier...":- although many ex-servicemen I know would willingly transfer their experiences to another person if it were feasible.

                      Still, I can't believe that everybody seriously studying the progress of mankind only does so because they are fascinated by death and destruction.
                      "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                      Samuel Johnson.

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                      • #12
                        Always makes me smile when some nobhead remarks that because you're interested in military history would you like to fight in a war. I always answer loud and bright...

                        "Certainly would! I'd love to find out wot it feels like to be laid in the mud with both legs blown off!"


                        The long toll of the brave
                        Is not lost in darkness
                        Over the fruitful earth
                        And athwart the seas
                        Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                        Unquenchable forever.

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                        • #13
                          Why war fascinates

                          Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post
                          There's certainly a fascination for the drama (glamour?) of warfare: the story of mankind is regularly punctuated by conflict,at all levels and there's no sign of it ceasing.

                          Still, I can't believe that everybody seriously studying the progress of mankind only does so because they are fascinated by death and destruction.
                          No of course not.
                          Plenty of people who study and/or are fascinated by history are interested in aspects other than war.

                          However, for some people when we think history it'll always be primarily military history, whether is actual campaigns and battles, weapons and 'kit', military leaders or personalities, technological or tactical developments, causes and consequences and debates and controversies.

                          My experience and I'm sure that of many others on this site, is that once you're in the grip of military history (most of us I again suspect from an early age) it's very hard to escape it's beguiling embrace.

                          Take a look at your bookshelves? Your website listings under favorites? Your magazine and journal collection?

                          Errr am I right?.

                          What I tried to explain back in the day was that the study of war and the military can for some people have an addictive pull.

                          Doesn't make you in any way mentally, ethically or morally flawed, or mean you can't wait to be in a real war.
                          Just that you're ...........??? (at this point tute would be wound up).

                          Always leave 'em wanting more folks.

                          Regards lodestar

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lodestar View Post

                            Always leave 'em wanting more folks.
                            *epic fail*



                            Last edited by Desiree Clary; 23 Jun 16, 12:22.
                            Will no one tell me what she sings?--
                            Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
                            For old, unhappy, far-off things,
                            And battles long ago:
                            -William Wordsworth, "The Solitary Reaper"

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