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  • Is Donald Trump a Democratic secret agent?

    Republican leaders are currently thrashing about - holding secret meetings, issuing confidential memos and making public denunciations - as they approach a state of near panic over what Donald Trump is doing to their party. It's enough to make some believe that Mr Trump may not have the Republican establishment's best interests at heart.
    Could Donald Trump be a secret double-agent, sent by Democrats to destroy their party from within?
    Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has borne the brunt of more than a few Trump barbs, seems to think there's a possibility.
    "Maybe Donald negotiated a deal with his buddy Hillary Clinton," Mr Bush tweeted this week, after Mr Trump cited a poll showing his supporters would stick with him if he left the Republican Party. "Continuing this path will put her in the White House."
    The New York billionaire has a spotty political history, at best. He was a Republican, then he was a pro-choice Democrat, and now he's a fire-breathing, anti-immigration populist conservative.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35066940

    Lots more in the article. From my perspective I believe it.
    Credo quia absurdum.


    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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    On that basis Jeremy Corbyn is a Conservative mole inserted into the British Labour party. Occam's razor suggests that they are both simply outrageous buffoons - loose cannons
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
      Republican leaders are currently thrashing about - holding secret meetings, issuing confidential memos and making public denunciations - as they approach a state of near panic over what Donald Trump is doing to their party. It's enough to make some believe that Mr Trump may not have the Republican establishment's best interests at heart.
      Could Donald Trump be a secret double-agent, sent by Democrats to destroy their party from within?
      Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who has borne the brunt of more than a few Trump barbs, seems to think there's a possibility.
      "Maybe Donald negotiated a deal with his buddy Hillary Clinton," Mr Bush tweeted this week, after Mr Trump cited a poll showing his supporters would stick with him if he left the Republican Party. "Continuing this path will put her in the White House."
      The New York billionaire has a spotty political history, at best. He was a Republican, then he was a pro-choice Democrat, and now he's a fire-breathing, anti-immigration populist conservative.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35066940

      Lots more in the article. From my perspective I believe it.
      I love fall, when the wingnuts fall from the trees!
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        All three are good explanations.

        IMHO Americans are no longer sufficiently well educated to distinguish between a political campaign and "reality" TV.
        Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
          All three are good explanations.

          IMHO Americans are no longer sufficiently well educated to distinguish between a political campaign and "reality" TV.
          We haven't been since the advent of the MTV generation decades ago.

          Consider this: If we ran politics the way we do professional sports, all of America would know everything about every "player", would follow their careers, successes and failures intently, and would be able to make highly informed decisions about who should play what position based on facts.

          So why don't we?
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            I think it may have started out this way but when Trump saw how well he did, he decided to take it more seriously. At one point he couldn't believe how his numbers kept going up even when he say the most outrageous things. Trump actually said, "okay, this isn't funny anymore."
            “Someone who doesn’t know is less stupid than someone who wrongly think he knows."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              We haven't been since the advent of the MTV generation decades ago.

              Consider this: If we ran politics the way we do professional sports, all of America would know everything about every "player", would follow their careers, successes and failures intently, and would be able to make highly informed decisions about who should play what position based on facts.

              So why don't we?
              A perfectly valid question IMO. Very depressing.
              Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                We haven't been since the advent of the MTV generation decades ago.

                Consider this: If we ran politics the way we do professional sports, all of America would know everything about every "player", would follow their careers, successes and failures intently, and would be able to make highly informed decisions about who should play what position based on facts.

                So why don't we?
                A perfectly valid question alright....

                I think the other question we should be asking ourselves is....Do businessmen REALLY make competent leaders of modern democracies?

                Business decision making and governmental decision making process are poles apart. The business mind puts PROFIT above all else, where the political mind should have the welfare of the taxpaying majority firmly at the forefront.

                the two do not make for good bedfellows at all.

                I state the obvious....business is not government. Government does not exist to run at a profit. Government should not exist as an arm of business interest either.

                Another question....Should donald Trump be seen as a closet redneck rather than a democrat sympathizer?

                Who knows what backroom deals have been done to facilitate a democrat in the White House.

                Maybe its time both parties took a good look at themselves and started to legislate for the people, rather than for all their 'mates' funding the campaign contributions.

                Maybe its time a third party stepped forward to represent the people, push out business interests in government for good, and start to legislate with the majority firmly in mind, rather that for those who can already afford not to care who sits in the Oval Office.

                We should alter Montesques 1759 "Seperation of Powers" docrtine to conform to modern thinking. In addition to the state, Church and the judiciary all to operate on seperate lines of power that do not cross over, we should insert BUSINESS INTEREST as another of the Powers to be Seperated, never to cross over with State power, Judicial power, or the Church.

                Eisenhower warned us this "Military Industrial complex" would be felt in every corner of american life, and that we as a voting body should strive to limit it's influence, whether "sought or unsought".

                It's about time we listened to the dead voice of the true Father of Modern america. Lincoln is your Political Granfather now, and Washington your Great Great Grandfather.

                Eisenhower warned you all, and so far, no-one is listening with any reality check in mind.

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                • #9
                  I think he is. We had this kind of candidate here in the late 1990s. He will play it cool and smart at first, attracting right-wing voters and making it to the runoff, then in the crucial debates he will run his mouth off stating idiotic things and scuttling everything, giving his opponent the win.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                    A perfectly valid question alright....

                    I think the other question we should be asking ourselves is....Do businessmen REALLY make competent leaders of modern democracies?
                    Having on two depressing occasions had the misfortune to get a really close up view of the way in which part of Ross Perot's commercial empire was run I sometimes wonder how some of them even got to be successful businessmen.
                    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                    • #11
                      It would be nice to actually have a viable candidate for POTUS....
                      Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.

                      Ronald Reagan 1911-2004

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Consider this: If we ran politics the way we do professional sports, all of America would know everything about every "player", would follow their careers, successes and failures intently, and would be able to make highly informed decisions about who should play what position based on facts.

                        So why don't we?
                        What an excellent idea! I doubt voters who would oppose this, just the politicians.
                        “Someone who doesn’t know is less stupid than someone who wrongly think he knows."

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                        • #13
                          If Trump is a Democrat plant, then the media is in on it too. This is just so wrong, in more ways than one.
                          “Someone who doesn’t know is less stupid than someone who wrongly think he knows."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            We haven't been since the advent of the MTV generation decades ago.

                            Consider this: If we ran politics the way we do professional sports, all of America would know everything about every "player", would follow their careers, successes and failures intently, and would be able to make highly informed decisions about who should play what position based on facts.

                            So why don't we?
                            Well consider this - in most sports success or failure is clear cut and unambiguous. A goal is a goal, a touch down a touch down, a try a try, a run a run, a point a point etc. If you've got more (or in golf less) than the other guys you're a winner. In real life it's different what is a success to one set of people is abject failure to others. "He defended us" - "he betrayed and bankrupted us" and both may in part be true or complete poppycock. Simplistic nostrums are all very smart superficially (like 1950s Readers Digest aphorisms) but to measure politicians properly we need something more sophisticated (BTW 'sophisticated' original meaning was 'complex and nuanced'). Given that we have a non simplistic world and a mixture of scumbags, people of high principle, flim flam artists, near saints, depraved deviants etc etc all vying to run it we do need a clever way of evaluating them and I think everyone would welcome one. Is there a socio-economic Einstein in the house?
                            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                            • #15
                              After they all bent over and Obama the spend bill he wanted there are no more republicans only RINOs
                              Are we there yet?

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