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  • Is Finland a Racist Country?

    In most Western European countries immigrates make up about 10% of the population. In Scandinavian countries (except Finland) the immigration level is at 5%. Yet Finland's level is less than 2%. Even with these low figures most immigrates to Finland come from the Baltics, Russia, or are Finns returning to their homeland. Very little comes from Asia, Africa, or the Middle East.

    http://www.utu.fi/erill/instmigr/eng/e_07.htm

    Surely with a GDP per capita of $26,200 the Finns can afford to import more of the world's poorest citizens into their cities and towns.
    Last edited by Chuck?; 03 May 03, 17:01.
    "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

    Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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    LOL! Chuck is sharpening his anti- Sheik Yerbouti tactics. Kudos for that.
    “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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    • #3
      Although it's true that Finland doesn't have much foreign people, i wouldn't say that we are racistic country. But there is some fear and lack trust of foreigners. Mostly because there hasn't been foreign people around for long.

      Maybe the ímmigrants don't consider Finland a good place to move to. You know, cold winters, unpolite inhabitants and stuff... =) Finland has a policy of not taking the poor people from devenloping countries here, but instead to help them were they live.

      Matti

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      • #4
        Where's the outrage?

        It seems to me if the US had the same immigration policies of Finland the protesters in the streets of European capitals would be in the millions. Over the last 20 years Finland has had 30,000 immigrants from the areas of Latin America, Asia, and Africa. This translates to 1,500 per year for a country with a population of 5 million.

        This ratio when applied to the United States (pop. 300 million) would be 90,000 immigrants per year. This is not even in the same ballpark as US immigration numbers. We alone average 250,000 legal Mexican immigrants a year. Throw in another 300,000+ Asian immigrants per year. Kick in another 200,000+ non-Mexican Latin American immigrants. Let's finish off with around 100,000+ African citizens.

        If the US was to pass a law closing the borders to only 90,000 'Third World' immigrants a year it would be blasted for it by the EU membership. The mobs would denounce the American 'nazism' and wonder if this is the first step in some new 'final solution' plan.

        In fact the US has been strongly criticized for passing laws that restrict immigration from so-called 'terrorist' countries. Yet the silence on Finish immigration policy is deafening. Where is the outrage?
        Last edited by Chuck?; 03 May 03, 10:55.
        "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

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        • #5
          Maybe Finland isn't the only superpower of the world, and claiming to have moral high ground on every aspect of world politics?

          Maybe Finland isn't a country which is based on immigration?

          Why Finland has never made any segregation laws? Now that must be a miracle!

          Why Chuck is so interested in Finnish immigration? Is he going to immigrate, or doesn't he like what Sheik writes about current US foreign policy?
          “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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          • #6
            lol, so the debate on Finnish immigration policy somehow comes back to a debate on America once again...

            Why Sheik is so interested in US foreign policy? Is he going to immigrate, or doesn't he like what Chuck writes about current Finnish immigration?
            Last edited by Chuck?; 03 May 03, 10:28.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hurmio
              Although it's true that Finland doesn't have much foreign people, i wouldn't say that we are racistic country. But there is some fear and lack trust of foreigners. Mostly because there hasn't been foreign people around for long.
              It's not an accident there aren't many foreign people around.

              Maybe the ímmigrants don't consider Finland a good place to move to. You know, cold winters, unpolite inhabitants and stuff... =) Finland has a policy of not taking the poor people from devenloping countries here, but instead to help them were they live.
              If Finland wanted to they could have a million immigrants from Asia and Africa next year. This is too many of course but the demand is there and it is up to the government to decide how many get in.

              I'm not anti-Finn, just anti-Finnish government.
              "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

              Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chuck
                lol, so the debate on Finnish immigration policy somehow comes back to a debate on America once again...
                LOL, it was you who started comparing US and Finnish immigration laws...
                “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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                • #9
                  I really don't think the reason for Finland having so few immigrants is that we don't allow them to come here. In fact it is though that we need to have much more immigrants to keep this country going. There isn't any law that forbids people from moving in. There is however a rather strick policy of accepting political or economical refugees.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti


                    LOL, it was you who started comparing US and Finnish immigration laws...
                    Yes, in the context of where is the outrage from the EU countries on the matter, not which policy is best.
                    "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

                    Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hurmio
                      I really don't think the reason for Finland having so few immigrants is that we don't allow them to come here. In fact it is though that we need to have much more immigrants to keep this country going. There isn't any law that forbids people from moving in. There is however a rather strick policy of accepting political or economical refugees.
                      So basically the Finnish government wants doctors and engineers from the 'Third World' to immigrate but not the unskilled masses.
                      "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

                      Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chuck


                        So basically the Finnish government wants doctors and engineers from the 'Third World' to immigrate but not the unskilled masses.
                        Not specially from the 3rd world. But yes, educated immigrants are what we try to get here. You see, these "unskilled masses" do have to be taken care of. That means housing, food, all basics needs. And most these people will stay unemployed as long as they stay here. And this cost very much money. Small country like Finland can't simply afford to take masses of refugees.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Where's the outrage?

                          I'll leave it for you two to discuss about Finnish immigration, and join the others debating US foreign policy, which is not only much more interesting, but the US policy has, dare I say it, much more impact on the future of this planet.
                          “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…” -1984 about the Big Lie

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hurmio


                            Not specially from the 3rd world. But yes, educated immigrants are what we try to get here. You see, these "unskilled masses" do have to be taken care of. That means housing, food, all basics needs. And most these people will stay unemployed as long as they stay here. And this cost very much money. Small country like Finland can't simply afford to take masses of refugees.
                            Finland has a very high standard of living. Probably it would go down if they imported 25,000 "unskilled masses" every year but it's an option.
                            "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

                            Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Re: Where's the outrage?

                              Originally posted by Sheik Yerbouti
                              I'll leave it for you two to discuss about Finnish immigration, and join the others debating US foreign policy, which is not only much more interesting, but the US policy has, dare I say it, much more impact on the future of this planet.
                              Well I say that European policies have more of an negative impact on the future of this planet so I'll keep on debating them.

                              I'm sure if the US had finnish-like immigration policies we would hear about it from you.
                              Last edited by Chuck?; 03 May 03, 11:36.
                              "There is no great genius without some touch of madness."

                              Seneca (5 BC - 65 AD)

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