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  • #46
    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

    You continue to spout awful nonsense. During WW2 the USSR up to the German invasion in 1941 actively supported the Reich in newspapers and instructions to trade unions in Britain


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    • #47
      Originally posted by Salinator View Post
      Slobodan Milosevic?
      Hermann Göring in fact - but Milosevic will do as well yes
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      • #48
        Censorship is when the state forbids free speech, and arrests you and punishes you if you try to speak freely.

        If I and a bunch of friends gather at home or at a private club and we don't want to hear the rants of the shouting lunatic passing by, so we close the window, that's not censorship. The guy is entirely free to go spout his pet topics - elsewhere.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

          Other than the Holocaust, there aren't very many universally recognized war crimes.
          You are astoundingly misinformed.

          As of now, there are 0 (zero) countries which are not signatories of the Geneva Conventions 1949. Meaning that all countries in the world, universally, recognize that a violation of one of the provisions of one of those Conventions is a crime.

          Naturally there might be, in some benighted backwater in the world, misinformed individuals who have their own opinion, contrary to that of all the countries in the world including theirs, just like in your town there might be some misinformed individual who might think that crossing the street with the red light is OK.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Michele View Post

            You are astoundingly misinformed.

            As of now, there are 0 (zero) countries which are not signatories of the Geneva Conventions 1949. Meaning that all countries in the world, universally, recognize that a violation of one of the provisions of one of those Conventions is a crime.

            Naturally there might be, in some benighted backwater in the world, misinformed individuals who have their own opinion, contrary to that of all the countries in the world including theirs, just like in your town there might be some misinformed individual who might think that crossing the street with the red light is OK.
            And the Additional protocols of 1977 further expanded coverage, particularly relevant being Protocol II which extends coverage to acts committed in non-international conflicts (insurgencies, counter insurgency, police actions, civil war etc etc) thus closing many loopholes and bringing a number of conflicts in Africa and the Balkans within the ambit of the convention. Again these were universally ratified and whilst some countries have shown bad faith in their application there can be no question that there is widespread recognition of war crimes
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

              Hermann Göring in fact - but Milosevic will do as well yes
              You two are probably thinking of Croatian ex-general Slobodan Praljak. he went out in the manner of Hermann Göring. In 2017 after having been declared guilty of crimes against humanity, Praljak stood up, denounced the court and drank a substance from a vial right there in court. Rushed to the hospital he died shortly afterwards. Still no one knows how he obtained the poison, but possibly his wife.

              Interestingly, Praljak (according to his wiki entry) was a graduate of "theatrical arts". He certainly did have a flair for the dramatic if his premature exit in any indication.

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              • #52
                I remember that yes, thanks.

                Full text of the verdict here, but probably better suited for the other thread.

                http://www.icty.org/x/cases/karadzic..._judgement.pdf
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by asterix View Post

                  and exhaustive ****

                  You should be a comedian, because that rant was funny.
                  I strongly suspect that his plains tribe might have been Ghengis Khan' s Mongols....

                  The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                    And the Additional protocols of 1977 further expanded coverage, particularly relevant being Protocol II which extends coverage to acts committed in non-international conflicts (insurgencies, counter insurgency, police actions, civil war etc etc) thus closing many loopholes and bringing a number of conflicts in Africa and the Balkans within the ambit of the convention. Again these were universally ratified and whilst some countries have shown bad faith in their application there can be no question that there is widespread recognition of war crimes
                    While I agree in general, I'd be less categorical with the Additional Protocols 1977, because there are some countries that are not signatories yet. Most scholars consider them to have entered customary international law by now, but the representatives of non-signatory countries would probably disagree.
                    OTOH Geneva 1949 have no non-signatories, and that's why I mentioned those.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Michele View Post

                      While I agree in general, I'd be less categorical with the Additional Protocols 1977, because there are some countries that are not signatories yet. Most scholars consider them to have entered customary international law by now, but the representatives of non-signatory countries would probably disagree.
                      OTOH Geneva 1949 have no non-signatories, and that's why I mentioned those.
                      The Red Cross/Crescent/Crystal regard them as universal
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by asterix View Post

                        Who says I was afraid? I was assisting in uncovering a murder scene...something you claim to know about but don't.



                        Right....soldiers should be encouraged to take matters in their own hands. Just like COPs do! LOL!!
                        I DO BELIEVE THAT AJR HAS BEEN employed as a pet control officer, chasing down strays....
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                          I DO BELIEVE THAT AJR HAS BEEN employed as a pet control officer, chasing down strays....
                          One city here requires Police, Fire, and Animal Control to rotate every six months, but are supposed to ready for all three calls. Strange to see a fully kitted Animal Control officer with body armor and the works, AND firefighter gear in the trunk of the patrol vehicle. Haven't gotten a chance yet to see if there are any AR-15's in the fire engines.

                          I did watch a female officer come out of her police interceptor, take off all her stuff down to underwear and put on the firefighter gear.
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                          • #58
                            I thought the forum did have a policy against Holocaust denial?
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                              One city here requires Police, Fire, and Animal Control to rotate every six months, but are supposed to ready for all three calls. Strange to see a fully kitted Animal Control officer with body armor and the works, AND firefighter gear in the trunk of the patrol vehicle. Having gotten a chance to see if there are any AR-15's in the fire engines.

                              I did watch a female officer come out of her police interceptor, take off all her stuff down to underwear and put on the firefighter gear.
                              There is a very basic economic theory known has specialisation of labour. Clearly that city's administrators have never heard of it....
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                                The Red Cross/Crescent/Crystal regard them as universal

                                Certainly.
                                "Universal" however means that all the parties that count - sovereign states, not international bodies, however influential the latter may be - either accepted the rules by signing in, or behave in practice as if they have accepted them. And you know that.
                                Michele

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