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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by asterix View Post



    An interesting maxim I read recently...

    “You are not a failure until you start blaming others for your mistakes.”

    I don't think there is anyone on this entire forum who needs this advice more than you. Hopefully your incompetence online isn't reflect too badly by likewise in your supposed profession.
    Now, don't get pouty just because you're embarrassed.

    You stood by and let a lot of muslims get murdered, and then you went home. No one really cared then, and they certainly don't care now. If it had been important, they wouldn't have sent French troops, after all.

    But it does bring your objections to discussing war crimes into a sharp perspective; you might want to let that argument be brought up by someone who hasn't been an accessory to that sort of thing.

    Meanwhile, enjoy the day; the people you betrayed won't, but that was never your concern.

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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    Sure, you did. Of course, no lives saved, no shooters convicted. But you 'handled' it.



    Nah. We respond to crime. Sometimes you get there in time, sometimes you don't. But we got the guys who did it, even if they were as scary as a Serb.

    We didn't just move the bodies and walk away...




    You mean like when the entire French army in 1940?






    You're the one moaning about war crimes, when in fact you're the one who facilitated war crimes by cowardice.

    Life isn't like TV, A, any more than the French Army is like a military. I did my job because it was fun, and because at the end of the day, it was a job. Dead people are simply history, and history is not a subject for passion. It can be interesting and/or amusing, but generally its just dull.

    But all this posturing about war crimes and over one tired old man sent to prison...that's your guilt standing large, A. You failed those people; you turned your back. You let them die and did nothing, you let their killers walk and did nothing, and now you think an old man sitting in a comfortable Swiss prison for a couple years somehow will restore your dignity and worth. It will absolve you of the taint of a war crime.

    That is funny.

    That's why you aren't on my Ignore list, A: you're still amusing.


    An interesting maxim I read recently...

    “You are not a failure until you start blaming others for your mistakes.”

    I don't think there is anyone on this entire forum who needs this advice more than you. Hopefully your incompetence online isn't reflect too badly by likewise in your supposed profession.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by asterix View Post

    We used cologne on hankies and covered the smell. We handled it and finished it.
    Sure, you did. Of course, no lives saved, no shooters convicted. But you 'handled' it.

    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    So you're saying that had you been a better cop, you wouldn't have had to fish dead kids out of the water? Interesting way to self psycho-analyse yourself.
    Nah. We respond to crime. Sometimes you get there in time, sometimes you don't. But we got the guys who did it, even if they were as scary as a Serb.

    We didn't just move the bodies and walk away...


    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    If we counted the number of times Americans stood by....
    You mean like when the entire French army in 1940?


    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    No, what is amusing is someone who is weaseling themselves out of an obvious sense of self-guilt by blaming others for an obvious failing at some point in your past...that has haunted you. So you come onto this forum, poke fun at other people's service, their family members and the things they've done as a means to brighten your badge a little more...because you have nothing else?


    You're the one moaning about war crimes, when in fact you're the one who facilitated war crimes by cowardice.

    Life isn't like TV, A, any more than the French Army is like a military. I did my job because it was fun, and because at the end of the day, it was a job. Dead people are simply history, and history is not a subject for passion. It can be interesting and/or amusing, but generally its just dull.

    But all this posturing about war crimes and over one tired old man sent to prison...that's your guilt standing large, A. You failed those people; you turned your back. You let them die and did nothing, you let their killers walk and did nothing, and now you think an old man sitting in a comfortable Swiss prison for a couple years somehow will restore your dignity and worth. It will absolve you of the taint of a war crime.

    That is funny.

    That's why you aren't on my Ignore list, A: you're still amusing.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    It doesn't answer the question.
    It does, when you think long enough, like a lifetime

    They'll probably allow him to kill himself though, like the other one, forgot his name.

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    Ask Karadzic.
    It doesn't answer the question.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    Why should we consider judges outside of Belgium ?
    Ask Karadzic.

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    No judge, no crime that's always the case.

    Any judge that can enforce his judgement.



    No judge - no crime, as stated
    Why should we consider judges outside of Belgium ?

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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    A little Vicks in the nose and it's no problem. For most, anyway; you couldn't handle it, obviously
    We used cologne on hankies and covered the smell. We handled it and finished it.


    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Just following orders, sure. That's what you did. You stood by and let those people die because orders are more important than their lives. Orders trumped any morality you ever claimed to have.
    So you're saying that had you been a better cop, you wouldn't have had to fish dead kids out of the water? Interesting way to self psycho-analyse yourself.

    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    And now you are trying to posture and pretend that one old man going to prison decades later somehow absolves you.
    If we counted the number of times Americans stood by....

    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    That's funny. That's why I still come around here: because there are few things more entertaining than watching someone twist themselves into a knot trying to pretend that they aren't what they really are.
    No, what is amusing is someone who is weaseling themselves out of an obvious sense of self-guilt by blaming others for an obvious failing at some point in your past...that has haunted you. So you come onto this forum, poke fun at other people's service, their family members and the things they've done as a means to brighten your badge a little more...because you have nothing else?

    Nice of you to come clean Rim, I hope it helps you move on with your life. Shall I charge this to your account, or will this be cash?

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by asterix View Post

    Who says I was afraid? I was assisting in uncovering a murder scene...something you claim to know about but don't.
    A little Vicks in the nose and it's no problem. For most, anyway; you couldn't handle it, obviously


    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    Right....soldiers should be encouraged to take matters in their own hands. Just like COPs do! LOL!!
    Just following orders, sure. That's what you did. You stood by and let those people die because orders are more important than their lives. Orders trumped any morality you ever claimed to have.

    And now you are trying to posture and pretend that one old man going to prison decades later somehow absolves you.

    That's funny. That's why I still come around here: because there are few things more entertaining than watching someone twist themselves into a knot trying to pretend that they aren't what they really are.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    So when there was no judge, there is no crime possible ? And what judge is it ?
    No judge, no crime that's always the case.

    Any judge that can enforce his judgement.

    NATO also fails and comits crimes itself.
    No judge - no crime, as stated

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  • Emtos
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    When the judge finds you guilty it's a war crime.
    So when there was no judge, there is no crime possible ? And what judge is it ?

    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
    When NATO starts bombing, that was the limit
    NATO also fails and comits crimes itself.

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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    I don't think it was sarcasm. You choked up over seeing corpses, too.



    Not everyone is as afraid as you are.
    Who says I was afraid? I was assisting in uncovering a murder scene...something you claim to know about but don't.

    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Had you been a soldier, perhaps those bodies wouldn't have been in the mass graves. If you had the courage to create an international incident...

    But you didn't. You were just following orders, just like the guys firing into those soon-to-be mass graves.

    Right....soldiers should be encouraged to take matters in their own hands. Just like COPs do! LOL!!

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    What's a war crime ?
    When the judge finds you guilty it's a war crime.

    Where is the limit ?
    When NATO starts bombing, that was the limit

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by asterix View Post

    Sarcasm is lost on you...that's ok. It takes a modicum of human interaction to achieve this.
    I don't think it was sarcasm. You choked up over seeing corpses, too.

    Originally posted by asterix View Post
    You'e more insecure than I previously imagined. Keep that itchy finger away from the holster!
    Not everyone is as afraid as you are.

    Had you been a soldier, perhaps those bodies wouldn't have been in the mass graves. If you had the courage to create an international incident...

    But you didn't. You were just following orders, just like the guys firing into those soon-to-be mass graves.


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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    You said it yourself: you were afraid of the Serb army.
    Sarcasm is lost on you...that's ok. It takes a modicum of human interaction to achieve this.

    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    You're no different from everyone else who stood by and did nothing. Those people didn't matter to you then, any more than France mattered to your grandfather in 1940.

    I don't blame you; the French can't fight. That's well-established.

    But sending one old man to prison doesn't change what you did not do.
    You'e more insecure than I previously imagined. Keep that itchy finger away from the holster!

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