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  • #31
    Originally posted by Emtos View Post
    Why should we consider judges outside of Belgium ?
    Ask Karadzic.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

      Ask Karadzic.
      It doesn't answer the question.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post
        It doesn't answer the question.
        It does, when you think long enough, like a lifetime

        They'll probably allow him to kill himself though, like the other one, forgot his name.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by asterix View Post

          We used cologne on hankies and covered the smell. We handled it and finished it.
          Sure, you did. Of course, no lives saved, no shooters convicted. But you 'handled' it.

          Originally posted by asterix View Post
          So you're saying that had you been a better cop, you wouldn't have had to fish dead kids out of the water? Interesting way to self psycho-analyse yourself.
          Nah. We respond to crime. Sometimes you get there in time, sometimes you don't. But we got the guys who did it, even if they were as scary as a Serb.

          We didn't just move the bodies and walk away...


          Originally posted by asterix View Post
          If we counted the number of times Americans stood by....
          You mean like when the entire French army in 1940?


          Originally posted by asterix View Post
          No, what is amusing is someone who is weaseling themselves out of an obvious sense of self-guilt by blaming others for an obvious failing at some point in your past...that has haunted you. So you come onto this forum, poke fun at other people's service, their family members and the things they've done as a means to brighten your badge a little more...because you have nothing else?


          You're the one moaning about war crimes, when in fact you're the one who facilitated war crimes by cowardice.

          Life isn't like TV, A, any more than the French Army is like a military. I did my job because it was fun, and because at the end of the day, it was a job. Dead people are simply history, and history is not a subject for passion. It can be interesting and/or amusing, but generally its just dull.

          But all this posturing about war crimes and over one tired old man sent to prison...that's your guilt standing large, A. You failed those people; you turned your back. You let them die and did nothing, you let their killers walk and did nothing, and now you think an old man sitting in a comfortable Swiss prison for a couple years somehow will restore your dignity and worth. It will absolve you of the taint of a war crime.

          That is funny.

          That's why you aren't on my Ignore list, A: you're still amusing.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

            Sure, you did. Of course, no lives saved, no shooters convicted. But you 'handled' it.



            Nah. We respond to crime. Sometimes you get there in time, sometimes you don't. But we got the guys who did it, even if they were as scary as a Serb.

            We didn't just move the bodies and walk away...




            You mean like when the entire French army in 1940?






            You're the one moaning about war crimes, when in fact you're the one who facilitated war crimes by cowardice.

            Life isn't like TV, A, any more than the French Army is like a military. I did my job because it was fun, and because at the end of the day, it was a job. Dead people are simply history, and history is not a subject for passion. It can be interesting and/or amusing, but generally its just dull.

            But all this posturing about war crimes and over one tired old man sent to prison...that's your guilt standing large, A. You failed those people; you turned your back. You let them die and did nothing, you let their killers walk and did nothing, and now you think an old man sitting in a comfortable Swiss prison for a couple years somehow will restore your dignity and worth. It will absolve you of the taint of a war crime.

            That is funny.

            That's why you aren't on my Ignore list, A: you're still amusing.


            An interesting maxim I read recently...

            “You are not a failure until you start blaming others for your mistakes.”

            I don't think there is anyone on this entire forum who needs this advice more than you. Hopefully your incompetence online isn't reflect too badly by likewise in your supposed profession.

            You'll live, only the best get killed.

            -General Charles de Gaulle

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            • #36
              Originally posted by asterix View Post



              An interesting maxim I read recently...

              “You are not a failure until you start blaming others for your mistakes.”

              I don't think there is anyone on this entire forum who needs this advice more than you. Hopefully your incompetence online isn't reflect too badly by likewise in your supposed profession.
              Now, don't get pouty just because you're embarrassed.

              You stood by and let a lot of muslims get murdered, and then you went home. No one really cared then, and they certainly don't care now. If it had been important, they wouldn't have sent French troops, after all.

              But it does bring your objections to discussing war crimes into a sharp perspective; you might want to let that argument be brought up by someone who hasn't been an accessory to that sort of thing.

              Meanwhile, enjoy the day; the people you betrayed won't, but that was never your concern.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

                Now, don't get pouty just because you're embarrassed.
                I'm not...I'm allowing others to view your insecurities and trying to pass them off as someone else's

                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                Meanwhile, enjoy the day; the people you betrayed won't, but that was never your concern.
                I will enjoy my day, and hope you do to. I won't won't let the thought of children ending up dead in the waters through your own incompetence and cowardice bother me either...but brave of you to fish them out.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  Censorship is not the answer.

                  And many things which are considered war crimes by some, are not considered war crimes by others.

                  Frankly, every war in history is considered a war crime by someone or another.

                  Other than the Holocaust, there aren't very many universally recognized war crimes.

                  So first, we would have to agree on what is a war crime. As a Native American, I would argue that every action taken by France between 1600 and 1970 is a war crime, while any action taken against France in that same period (excluding actions by the Third Reich against French Jews) are simple justice.

                  The same could be argued about any of the European colonial powers.

                  Which means we have just ended 95% of the history forum.

                  Best to just try to man up and accept that others have different opinions and deal with it.

                  Although if we do start assigning crimes against Humanity, Sweden is going to the top of the list, IKEA alone is reason enough for a national purge with fire and steel, and that is only one of the horrors they have inflicted.
                  Seriously? Genocide is common in the Balkans, Africa and elsewhere as a legitimate goal of war. So is rape. The Holocaust is merely the most prominent occurrence people are aware of. Stalin murdered more of his own people that the Germans did during WWII. Where do you place the Japanese Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, the Bataan Death march and the infamous railway constructed at a horrific cost in Allied salve labor through Burma? The Soviet Rape of Berlin? The Italian atrocities in Ethiopia? The Turkish genocide of Armenians?And we have only scratched the surface.

                  War crimes are like pornography, - you know it when you see it.

                  As to the original question - none of us get to make policy - the admins decide that. So why even ask? Why not just demand that the IGNORE feature be fixed after all of this time and the whole problem goes away.
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                  • #39
                    I don't think having a policy is appropriate. We shouldn't require moderators to evaluate the truth of posts.
                    Instead, we should try to resist the urge to debate people who refuse to accept reality.


                    For instance a holocaust denier isn't interested in honestly debating the fact of the holocaust and no amount of reasoning will change his mind.
                    One of my favorite quotes comes to mind:
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by asterix View Post

                      So you get your jollies off by poking fun of other people's services because their ROE doesn't jive with how you'd direct an action film?

                      Is this why cops have a reputation for poor trigger discipline? It all makes sense now.

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                      • #41
                        I don't blame you; the French can't fight. That's well-established.


                        Total ignorance

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                        • #42
                          Freedom of speech as we have in the USA and England should be allowed. One poster our friend from Belgium openly posts anti Muslim and anti Immigrant views. Folks ought be allowed to post Holocaust denial, as well as anti Jewish views.


                          What I would not allow if up to me, would be any posts involving threats of violence. But its not up to me, so I respect w/e decision the moderators come up with.

                          Because I am a liberal, I'm all about freedom of speech. But you wont hear that from non liberals whom support blocking views because they "hurt feelings". During WW2, when the Reich was doing what they wanted, the USSR did not report a bad post, nay they fought the Reich through the newspapers and on the Battlefields.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                            It does, when you think long enough, like a lifetime

                            They'll probably allow him to kill himself though, like the other one, forgot his name.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

                              Because I am a liberal, I'm all about freedom of speech. But you wont hear that from non liberals whom support blocking views because they "hurt feelings". During WW2, when the Reich was doing what they wanted, the USSR did not report a bad post, nay they fought the Reich through the newspapers and on the Battlefields.
                              You continue to spout awful nonsense. During WW2 the USSR up to the German invasion in 1941 actively supported the Reich in newspapers and instructions to trade unions in Britain
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by MarkV View Post

                                You continue to spout awful nonsense. During WW2 the USSR up to the German invasion in 1941 actively supported the Reich in newspapers and instructions to trade unions in Britain
                                Your the one who is chatting with him, don't feed the troll.
                                Credo quia absurdum.


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