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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    Hermann Göring in fact - but Milosevic will do as well yes
    You two are probably thinking of Croatian ex-general Slobodan Praljak. he went out in the manner of Hermann Göring. In 2017 after having been declared guilty of crimes against humanity, Praljak stood up, denounced the court and drank a substance from a vial right there in court. Rushed to the hospital he died shortly afterwards. Still no one knows how he obtained the poison, but possibly his wife.

    Interestingly, Praljak (according to his wiki entry) was a graduate of "theatrical arts". He certainly did have a flair for the dramatic if his premature exit in any indication.

    Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_iQMCxuXss

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Michele View Post

    You are astoundingly misinformed.

    As of now, there are 0 (zero) countries which are not signatories of the Geneva Conventions 1949. Meaning that all countries in the world, universally, recognize that a violation of one of the provisions of one of those Conventions is a crime.

    Naturally there might be, in some benighted backwater in the world, misinformed individuals who have their own opinion, contrary to that of all the countries in the world including theirs, just like in your town there might be some misinformed individual who might think that crossing the street with the red light is OK.
    And the Additional protocols of 1977 further expanded coverage, particularly relevant being Protocol II which extends coverage to acts committed in non-international conflicts (insurgencies, counter insurgency, police actions, civil war etc etc) thus closing many loopholes and bringing a number of conflicts in Africa and the Balkans within the ambit of the convention. Again these were universally ratified and whilst some countries have shown bad faith in their application there can be no question that there is widespread recognition of war crimes

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  • Michele
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    Other than the Holocaust, there aren't very many universally recognized war crimes.
    You are astoundingly misinformed.

    As of now, there are 0 (zero) countries which are not signatories of the Geneva Conventions 1949. Meaning that all countries in the world, universally, recognize that a violation of one of the provisions of one of those Conventions is a crime.

    Naturally there might be, in some benighted backwater in the world, misinformed individuals who have their own opinion, contrary to that of all the countries in the world including theirs, just like in your town there might be some misinformed individual who might think that crossing the street with the red light is OK.

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  • Michele
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    Censorship is when the state forbids free speech, and arrests you and punishes you if you try to speak freely.

    If I and a bunch of friends gather at home or at a private club and we don't want to hear the rants of the shouting lunatic passing by, so we close the window, that's not censorship. The guy is entirely free to go spout his pet topics - elsewhere.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    Slobodan Milosevic?
    Hermann Göring in fact - but Milosevic will do as well yes

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

    You continue to spout awful nonsense. During WW2 the USSR up to the German invasion in 1941 actively supported the Reich in newspapers and instructions to trade unions in Britain


    deleted, not worth it
    Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 27 Mar 19, 21:52.

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post

    You continue to spout awful nonsense. During WW2 the USSR up to the German invasion in 1941 actively supported the Reich in newspapers and instructions to trade unions in Britain
    Your the one who is chatting with him, don't feed the troll.

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Because I am a liberal, I'm all about freedom of speech. But you wont hear that from non liberals whom support blocking views because they "hurt feelings". During WW2, when the Reich was doing what they wanted, the USSR did not report a bad post, nay they fought the Reich through the newspapers and on the Battlefields.
    You continue to spout awful nonsense. During WW2 the USSR up to the German invasion in 1941 actively supported the Reich in newspapers and instructions to trade unions in Britain

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

    It does, when you think long enough, like a lifetime

    They'll probably allow him to kill himself though, like the other one, forgot his name.
    Slobodan Milosevic?

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Freedom of speech as we have in the USA and England should be allowed. One poster our friend from Belgium openly posts anti Muslim and anti Immigrant views. Folks ought be allowed to post Holocaust denial, as well as anti Jewish views.


    What I would not allow if up to me, would be any posts involving threats of violence. But its not up to me, so I respect w/e decision the moderators come up with.

    Because I am a liberal, I'm all about freedom of speech. But you wont hear that from non liberals whom support blocking views because they "hurt feelings". During WW2, when the Reich was doing what they wanted, the USSR did not report a bad post, nay they fought the Reich through the newspapers and on the Battlefields.

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  • Half Pint John
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    I don't blame you; the French can't fight. That's well-established.


    Total ignorance

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by asterix View Post

    So you get your jollies off by poking fun of other people's services because their ROE doesn't jive with how you'd direct an action film?

    Is this why cops have a reputation for poor trigger discipline? It all makes sense now.

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  • Cambronnne
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    I don't think having a policy is appropriate. We shouldn't require moderators to evaluate the truth of posts.
    Instead, we should try to resist the urge to debate people who refuse to accept reality.


    For instance a holocaust denier isn't interested in honestly debating the fact of the holocaust and no amount of reasoning will change his mind.
    One of my favorite quotes comes to mind:
    The mind of a fanatic is like the pupil of an eye, the more light you shine into it, the tighter it constricts.

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Censorship is not the answer.

    And many things which are considered war crimes by some, are not considered war crimes by others.

    Frankly, every war in history is considered a war crime by someone or another.

    Other than the Holocaust, there aren't very many universally recognized war crimes.

    So first, we would have to agree on what is a war crime. As a Native American, I would argue that every action taken by France between 1600 and 1970 is a war crime, while any action taken against France in that same period (excluding actions by the Third Reich against French Jews) are simple justice.

    The same could be argued about any of the European colonial powers.

    Which means we have just ended 95% of the history forum.

    Best to just try to man up and accept that others have different opinions and deal with it.

    Although if we do start assigning crimes against Humanity, Sweden is going to the top of the list, IKEA alone is reason enough for a national purge with fire and steel, and that is only one of the horrors they have inflicted.
    Seriously? Genocide is common in the Balkans, Africa and elsewhere as a legitimate goal of war. So is rape. The Holocaust is merely the most prominent occurrence people are aware of. Stalin murdered more of his own people that the Germans did during WWII. Where do you place the Japanese Rape of Nanking, Unit 731, the Bataan Death march and the infamous railway constructed at a horrific cost in Allied salve labor through Burma? The Soviet Rape of Berlin? The Italian atrocities in Ethiopia? The Turkish genocide of Armenians?And we have only scratched the surface.

    War crimes are like pornography, - you know it when you see it.

    As to the original question - none of us get to make policy - the admins decide that. So why even ask? Why not just demand that the IGNORE feature be fixed after all of this time and the whole problem goes away.

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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post

    Now, don't get pouty just because you're embarrassed.
    I'm not...I'm allowing others to view your insecurities and trying to pass them off as someone else's

    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Meanwhile, enjoy the day; the people you betrayed won't, but that was never your concern.
    I will enjoy my day, and hope you do to. I won't won't let the thought of children ending up dead in the waters through your own incompetence and cowardice bother me either...but brave of you to fish them out.


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