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  • #46
    Hopefully, the notification of the actual start will go more smoothly this time.
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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    • #47
      Looking forward to it!
      BoRG
      "... and that was the last time they called me Freakboy Moses"

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      • #48
        Update, Friday 28 June:


        Hi guys,

        In the effort to ensure I don't miss any really important warship types or variants, I've expanded my research over the last few weeks. This has included a closer and more detailed look at online sources, along with the few extra books acquired in recent months, to supplement and enhance the research already done. As we might expect, the sheer volume of information for this period (mid 1800's thru 1st decade 1900's) is plentiful; especially when compared to what was available for T2; and vastly more that I could have dreamed of for T1.

        The effort has been most beneficial but as a result, I now have data and internet links for no less than 154 warship "types" or variants (comprising a mixture of classes and individual ships), covering 17 nations, on an Excel spreadsheet.
        Obviously, running a tournament with 64 candidates means I now need to "lose" no less than 90 types/variants. However, before I start culling I need to consider how important each nation was - in naval terms - and apportion the available slots accordingly. The criteria should, I believe, include but would not be restricted to, broad application of the following:

        (A) The quality, significance and influence of each nation's warship designs during this period.

        (B) The size, power, quality, commitments and influence of each nation's navy during this period.

        (C) Impacts on future warship developments; especially in the period to be covered by the following tournament, T4 (Early 1900's thru end of WW2).

        OK, so bearing the above in mind, I'm not yet certain but this is how I am presently thinking I might apportion the 64 slots:
        • Britain - 9
        • USA (including both Union & Confederate during ACW) - 9
        • Russia - 7*
        • France - 6
        • Germany - 6
        • Japan - 5
        • Austria/Hungary - 4
        • Italy - 4
        • Spain - 4
        • Netherlands - 2
        • Ottoman/Turkey - 2
        • Argentina - 1
        • Brazil - 1
        • Chile - 1
        • China - 1
        • Denmark - 1
        • Portugal - 1
        (*Not sure.)
        What do you guys think?


        When the number of slots per nation has been decided, the next set of decisions is which types to cull and which to keep.
        Once that is done, I can really get stuck into the writing up, editing of pics etc & putting together the first 32 pairings for Round 1.
        Last edited by panther3485; 28 Jun 19, 10:36.
        "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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        • #49
          Looks good to me. Thanks for all the hard work on these campaigns.

          “Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” -- Albert Einstein

          The US Constitution doesn't need to be rewritten it needs to be reread

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          • #50
            Thanks.
            Doing some culling each day. Naturally, this involves further comparative research to make my decisions as to which ships get dropped and which are kept.
            So far, I've completed my selections for Argentina, Austria-Hungary, Brazil, Britain and Chile.
            Argentina, Brazil and Chile were all relatively quick and easy, with small numbers to choose from.
            Austria-Hungary took substantially longer and Britain was huge.
            I'm retaining one or two extras for the larger navies in case I change my mind and want to make a few last-minute switches here and there.

            Once all the selections are decided, I can then go in-depth with each of the 64 types plus the few "in reserve". After that, it's a case of selecting/editing suitable images and adding the accompanying data & written compositions. Finally, I can then decide on the pairings and set up the 32 polls for Round 1.

            I think I'll be very happy once I've got there.
            "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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            • #51

              OK guys, 14 days since my last post. Time for a progress update, I reckon.
              Over those two weeks, I've been checking mainly online sources with occasional reference to my books.
              (The books will be more useful during the next stage of preparation.) I got a lot more of the groundwork done!
              Anyway, I added a couple more ship types to my starting line; so had to cull 156 types, serving 17 different seafaring nations, down to 64. That culling is just about complete now.

              A vital question, IMO, was how many ship types should I include for each nation?
              For example, to make things easier I could have left out one of the 17 nations, giving me 16, then selected the "best 4 types" for each one. To my mind, however, this is not appropriate due to some widely varying factors. For example:
              1. These nations varied greatly in their power and influence; both locally and globally.
              2. Some of the nations were more leaders in design, than followers. Others, the reverse.
              3. Some nations designed and built far more types and often in much larger numbers, impacting on influence.
              4. Some nations built few or no ships of their own during this period, while others were not only building ships in very large numbers for their own use but also building them for other countries.
              5. Some nations were "on the way up" in terms of their naval power & influence (that is, growing stronger) while others were "on the way down"; and yet others relatively stable in their current situation, over this specific period.
              6. Sheer naval quality and power, overall. This takes into account not just the ships and the size of the forces but also other factors; such as crew training/morale; strategy & tactics; as well as logistics, maintenance/repair and other support variables.
              With those and other factors in mind, this is how I have distributed my 64 "slots":
              • Britain - 10
              • France and USA - 8 each
              • Russia - 7
              • Germany and Italy - 5 each
              • Austria/Hungary and Japan - 4 each
              • Spain - 3
              • Netherlands and Ottoman/Turkey - 2 each
              • Argentina, Brazil, Chile, China, Denmark and Portugal - 1 each
              Bearing in mind the era I am covering here - mid 1800's to very early 1900's (1906 is the cut-off), please pipe up if you think I have missed an important nation.

              In the meantime, from this point I will be going in-depth with each of my 64 ships and boats (plus a small number in reserve); gathering and editing images, assembling key data to a consistent layout, and starting on my write-ups for each type.
              Once that is completed, it's a case of working out the 32 pairings for Round 1.
              At my current rate of progress with the time usually available, I think I will almost certainly be past the end of July before this is all done. However, an August launch does seem, realistically, very well within reach now.
              This is two or three months later than I would have liked, but there it is.



              Best to all,
              Paul
              Last edited by panther3485; 18 Jul 19, 10:41.
              "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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