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  • Checkertail20
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    I was wondering that myself.

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  • Delenda estRoma
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    Is this still a game?

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Arthwys View Post
    Actually your memory suffers My Emperor. I Crossed the Rubicon on orders of recall only after The General Drusus Landed his forces in Ostia... Drusus arrived by Galley and never crossed the Rubicon...

    It must be all the fermented fish you eat.

    Valerius Magnus
    Legate
    Legios VI Felix, X Rufus Commanding

    Just poor wording on The Emperor's part. Drusus was encamped with orders not to intercept you and engage only if you cross the Rubicon and press for Rome. The battle was forced by you and Gaius. When FATE informed Drusus that you had crossed the river and would arrive in Rome by morning, the die was cast. If The Imperials wanted to take Rome, Drusus would already been having Ferment Fish with The Emperor by the time you arrived.
    Last edited by Salinator; 20 Apr 13, 15:42.

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  • Arthwys
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    ...The Imperials never wanted battle against Gaius and Valerius. Instead of marching on Rome and liberating The Emperor, Drusus was ordered to stand down and not cross the Rubicon as per Roman law. His order was to engage only to defend Rome. That he did, after Valerius first crossed the Rubicon enroute to Rome under Gaius' order..............AFTER Gaius had ordered the massacre of Roman citizens.
    -Salinatorius of Rome
    Actually your memory suffers My Emperor. I Crossed the Rubicon on orders of recall only after The General Drusus Landed his forces in Ostia... Drusus arrived by Galley and never crossed the Rubicon...

    It must be all the fermented fish you eat.

    Valerius Magnus
    Legate
    Legios VI Felix, X Rufus Commanding
    Last edited by Arthwys; 28 Mar 13, 10:13.

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  • Admiral
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    As with all things political & otherwise, there is always at least 2 sides to every story & the truth is almost always somewhere other than just those sides, most often somewhere between. But that never stops most from seeing & believing themselves most holy & divine in their view of how things were, are & oughta be, enh.

    My suppositions were precisely based upon my perceptions, as were your own - absolutely not one iota more. That makes neither or any of us fully right or wrong, only convinced by our own sentiments with which everyone will never agree simply by virtue of the nature of humans. NOBODY in this game was without blood on their hands, nor was all of the blood on any of our hands righteous in its taking. It was a game, thankfully. And your part, like mine, as with all other players, ended when winners were declared.

    The rest is just simple sentimentalities for a time, endeavour & adventure played out & in all likelihoods, never again the likes to be seen by any of us.


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  • Salinator
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    Then your supposition of The Emperor is also wrong. He favored Rome above all else and accepted into His Circle only those willing to lay down their lives for Rome first, team victory second, and Emperor third. One may not agree what was best for Rome, but that is a reflection of politics and not dedication nor patriotism. As Emperor, there was information from FATE that were only for His Eyes.

    Neither The Emperor or any of his close allies were the first to scheme and plot. They resisted and played the game that was dealt. There was hesitance to even do any "fighting back" until perhaps Gameturn 3.

    Immediately in Gameturn 1, at least 5 plots against The Emperor was uncovered, including:
    1) An attempt to bribe the Praetorian Guard. If that is not a serious threat, what is is?
    2) A collusion by Senator(s) to reduce the power of The Emperor by having all Imperial matters go through the Senate for approval. The Emperor chose to defend current Roman laws as established by Caesar Augustus.
    3) A collusion by Senator(s) to eliminate the office of The Empire. What would that accomplish except for another Social War, Civil War, and another power struggle among generals?
    4) A collusion by General(s) to march on Rome to overthrow The Emperor and then fight decide later who would take The Crown. Really? The Imperial Group is guilty of resisting that?
    5) A Senator colluded with a General to discredit The Emperor by fabricating false charges and perhaps inciting rebellion in a province. Really? The Emperor is not supposed to fight against that in The Name and Glory of Rome?

    The Imperials never wanted battle against Gaius and Valerius. Instead of marching on Rome and liberating The Emperor, Drusus was ordered to stand down and not cross the Rubicon as per Roman law. His order was to engage only to defend Rome. That he did, after Valerius first crossed the Rubicon enroute to Rome under Gaius' order..............AFTER Gaius had ordered the massacre of Roman citizens.

    -Salinatorius of Rome
    Last edited by Salinator; 28 Mar 13, 01:40.

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  • Arthwys
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    Originally posted by Paul Mann III View Post
    It was without question the coolest game I ever played, hands down.

    Everybody played their hearts out, good game by all.

    And, of course, the game was conducted by a mastermind genius...
    Completely agree. SPQR was why I had finally stopped lurking and actually became a member (so, yes all the SPQR-ers are to blame for my presence)

    IMHO there has never been another game on ACG to equal it since (though Strats' French revolution came closest)

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  • Paul Mann III
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    Originally posted by Admiral View Post
    The greatest thrill of the entire game for me was the continuous intrigue...

    I somehow doubt any other will ever come half way close.

    As for threat... there was no such thing, only Scipius as he was.

    A simple son of Rome & no more.


    It was without question the coolest game I ever played, hands down.

    Everybody played their hearts out, good game by all.

    And, of course, the game was conducted by a mastermind genius...
    Last edited by Paul Mann III; 27 Mar 13, 02:09.

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  • Admiral
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    The greatest thrill of the entire game for me was the continuous intrigue...

    I somehow doubt any other will ever come half way close.

    As for threat... there was no such thing, only Scipius as he was.

    A simple son of Rome & no more.


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  • Paul Mann III
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    I never thought Scipius was a real threat, I just wanted to make the distraction complete...

    I also thought for sure this was the round I would die in. I barely escape round eight, if I recall correctly. And seven was a stress, too.

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  • Admiral
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    Except that your supposition of Scipius intentions were entirely wrong.

    If I had not stood & stayed the hands of others with which I had no bindings, but seemingly some moral persuasion, that sought my brothers, the Emperor, death, he would have most certainly & easily have been dead. My only ambition in declining being named Emperor in any capacity when such notions arose on occasion, instead assuming the mantle of Guardian of Rome while in the field & yet afar while yet engaged against Parthia & others sought the circumstances to make their play for power in Rome, was strictly such as to preserve the life of my brother. Had I not been poisoned, I would still have held for his remaining Emperor, had he moderated his allegiances & genuinely stood solely for his people, instead of with his backstreet alliances which actually held him down far more than had he stepped properly to the center & above the evils swirling around him. But had he done that, there is no doubt in my mind that his former allies would have done all to off him. As it is, purely as a factor of gaming, he remained true to his alliances & won. For a game, that is a goal above most others.

    No hatin, twas a great game & I have no qualms in standing behind my own strivance for actual justice & prosperity of the People of Rome > the greatest of Rome being her People, not her Government.

    You'll find no lies told by me, generally only what I would & did do, occasionally punctuated by silence of things better left to their own reveals.

    You'll also find that I courted nobody & worked strictly with them that truly sought to honorably work with me.

    Perfection? Pfft, there is & never has been, nor never will be such a thing in treachery & civil war.

    But a fine round it was for a game, to be sure.

    Marcus Scipius Flavius Brittanicus, Governor of Cappadoccia, Governor of Judea, Liberator of Armenia, Conqueror of Parthia............. Scipius Parthicus - Legatus, Guardian of Rome

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  • Paul Mann III
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    Originally posted by Captain General View Post
    True dat.

    The effects still ripple through the halls of ACG today...
    They see us rulin'. They hatin'.

    Page 11 - Fury Unleashed

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  • Captain General
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    Originally posted by Paul Mann III View Post
    Turn nine was big for the Imperial faction. A moment of perfection...

    Hail Caesar!
    True dat.

    The effects still ripple through the halls of ACG today...

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  • Paul Mann III
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    Turn nine was big for the Imperial faction. A moment of perfection...

    Hail Caesar!

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  • Stratego
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    Gameturn 9 results...

    Dear players...

    Here are the (incomplete) endresults of gameturn 9 !

    Again, sorry for the wait.

    As usual the results are based on:

    -the poll results

    -the behind-the-scenes-movements, decisions and sentiments of the various players

    -the dialogues posted on the thread

    Senator Julius Poisoned end of gameturn 3 !!!
    Wealth 4 (+ 4 saved by end of game)
    Land 2
    Popularity in Rome 8/12
    Popularity in Senate 7/12
    Rhetorics 6/6

    General Falco Arrested and murdered/suicide end of gameturn 4 !!!
    Wealth 0
    Land 2
    Statesmanship 0/12
    Popularity in Rome 0/12
    Popularity in Army 8/12

    Senator Titus Poisoned beginning of game turn 5 !!!
    Wealth 6
    Land 5
    Popularity in Rome 10/12
    Popularity in Senate 6/12
    Rhetorics 3/6

    Senator Plinius Executed end of game turn 5 !!!!
    Wealth 7 (+ 2 wealth saved by end of game)
    Land 8
    Popularity in Rome 6/12
    Popularity in Senate 8/12
    Rhetorics 6/6

    Senator Torienus Status is unconfirmed after "Night of the 17th" in gameturn 8 !!!!
    Land 2
    Popularity in Rome 11/12
    Popularity in Senate 7/12
    Rhetorics 6/6

    Captain Gaius of the Praetorian Guard Died on the field of battle at Fiumicinius in gameturn 9 !!!
    Wealth 2
    Land 2
    Popularity Imperial Court 3/12
    Popularity in Senate 4/12
    Popularity in Army 10/12


    Senator Verus
    Wealth 6
    Land 3
    Popularity in Rome 7/12
    Popularity in Senate 9/12
    Rhetorics 6/6

    Senator Honorius
    Wealth 10
    Land 6
    Popularity in Rome 9/12
    Popularity in Senate 6/12
    Rhetorics 6/6

    Senator Flavian
    Wealth 9
    Land 7/12
    Popularity in Rome 7/12
    Popularity in Senate 11/12
    Rhetorics 4/6

    Senator Antonius
    Wealth 2
    Land 2
    Popularity in Rome 6/12
    Popularity in Senate 9/12
    Rhetorics 6/6

    Senator Quintus
    Wealth 5
    Land 4
    Popularity in Rome 5/12
    Popularity in Senate 11/12
    Rhetorics 5/6

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    General Drusus
    Supreme commander of Roman forces

    Wealth 4
    Land 2
    Statesmanship 5/12
    Popularity in Rome 9/12
    Popularity in Army 12/12

    Forces currently under his direct command:

    Legion III Tertia Scythica "Scythian-conquering 3rd" under command of General Livius
    3170 infantry veterans
    50 cavalry veterans
    780 Britannic swordsmen/headhurlers middle
    100 Scythian horse archers veterans

    Legion XIV Fulminata “Thunderbolt” under General Brutus
    2790 infantry middle
    180 swordsmen from Gaul middle
    10 Macedonian companion cavalry veterans
    4 African War elephants

    Legion XXII Rapax (The Predator) under General Drusus
    3100 infantry veterans
    600 light German warbands/skirmishers veterans
    2400 Dacian and Thracian falxmen/swordsmen veterans (former auxilia Legion VII)

    Legion VII Claudia Pia Fideliss (Faithful & Loyal)
    2.100 infantry veterans

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    General Paulus (returned to Rome incognito)
    Former governor of Syria and former governor of Armenia
    Wealth 6
    Land 10
    Statesmanship 8/12
    Popularity in Rome 9/12
    Popularity in Army 12/12

    Troops under his command:
    100 of the most loyal and seasoned officers and soldiers of Legio IV Scythia acting as his personal bodyguard...

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    General Scipius "The Victor of Parthia"
    Commander of Legio XX and Legio IV cavalry

    Wealth 5
    Land 1
    Statesmanship 6/12
    Popularity in Rome 11/12
    Popularity in Army 10/12

    Forces currently under his direct command:

    Legion XX Hercules under General Scipius
    150 cavalry veterans
    550 Nubian cavalry veterans
    50 Egyptian chariots veterans
    200 Syrian cavalry middle
    170 Cappadocian cavalry middle

    Legion IV Scythia “from Scythia” under General Enemongenus
    60 cavalry veterans
    190 Arabic horse archers veterans
    30 Persian cataphracts veterans

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    General Rubinus
    Governor of Moesia Superior and military commander of the provinces Judeae & Cappaddocia

    Wealth 5
    Land 1
    Statesmanship 9/12
    Popularity in Rome 7/12
    Popularity in Army 10/12

    Forces currently under his direct command:

    Legion XXIV Apollinaris “Apollo revering” under General Rubinus

    400 Roman infantry middle from Legio IV Scythia
    730 infantry veterans from Legio VII Claudia Pia Fideliss (Faithful & Loyal)
    750 light cavalry from Gaul middle
    80 cavalry veterans from Legio VII Claudia Pia Fideliss (Faithful & Loyal)
    30 cavalry veterans from Legio IV Scythia
    950 swordsmen from Gaul middle
    1800 eastern light infantry veterans from Legio IV Scythia

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    General Valerius Magnus
    Commands Legion X Rufus and Legion VI "Felix" (Lucky Legion)

    Wealth 3
    Land 3
    Statesmanship 2/12
    Popularity in Rome 6/12
    Popularity in Army 9/12

    Forces currently under his direct command:

    Legio X Rufus “the Red legion” Troops of General Attius (former legion of Gaius' cousin, Seutonius)
    3.700 Roman Infantry veterans
    400 Greek Phalanxmen veterans
    400 German Axemen veterans
    250 Roman cavalry veteran
    250 Roman infantry recruits

    Legion VI Felix “the lucky legion” under General Valerius
    970 Roman infantry veterans
    230 Roman infantry veterans
    1.350 Roman cavalry veterans

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    The Emperor (incomplete)
    State Treasury 0
    Popularity in Rome ?/12
    Popularity in Senate ?/12
    Popularity in Army ?/12
    Popularity Praetorian Guard ?/12
    Rhetorics 4/6

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    King Radulf of the Tungri
    Wealth 6
    Strategical insight 11/12
    Popularity among warriors 8/12
    Popularity among the elders 6/12

    Commands a horde of
    70 Elite Hundaskapiz (“Group of Hundred”) veterans
    50 German spearman (Framaharjoz “Spear Warriors”) recruits
    100 German Axemen (Marjoz “The Famous”) veterans
    150 German Axemen mercenaries (Gastiz “Guests”) middle
    50 German skirmishers (Swainoz “Youthlings”) recruits
    400 German noble cavalry middle


    Lysurgus of the Dacians
    Wealth 4 + 5
    Strategical Insight 7/12
    Popularity among Dacian council 8/12
    Popularity among warriors 10/12
    Luck 6/6

    Commands a horde of
    500 Naked Fanatics recruits
    2000 Dacian Swordsmen recruits
    800 Dacian Archer skirmishers middle
    1000 Dacian Falxmen veterans
    5000 Dacian Warband middle
    500 Dacian light cavalry middle
    400 Scythian horse archers recruits

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    Prophet Argus of Corinth
    Popularity in Rome 9/12
    Popularity in Senate 4/12
    Rhetorics 4/6
    Followers 9/12

    Arcadius from the Eastern suburbs of Rome
    Popularity in Rome 10/12
    Rhetorics 2/6
    Followers 10/12

    Furius from the Southern slums
    Popularity in Rome 10/12
    Rhetorics 4/6
    Followers 9/12



    Greets,
    FATE

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