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  • Rnd 3 Grp A - Renault FT-17 (France) vs BT-5/7 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Round 3, Group A: Renault FT-17 (France) vs BT-5/7 (Soviet Union/Russia)


    The French FT-17 pioneered the internal layout that would become the norm for later generations of tanks right up until today. Perhaps this, more than anything else, makes it highly influential. It was also built in considerable numbers and rendered effective service during the last year of WW1, as well as a modest amount of service in WW2. During the inter-war period a number of other countries either purchased the FT, or built or produced tanks based on its general design.

    Developed in the 1930's, the BT tanks were derived from the Christie fast mediums; indeed, the first series produced BTs were virtual copies of one of them. The BT was just about unique in large-scale production tanks, in that it provided a wheel-cum-track option; i.e. the tracks could be removed and the tank could travel more quickly if required (ground permitting, of course). The BT-5/7 was built in large numbers and was one of the most important tanks in the Soviet OOB when the Germans invaded in June 1941.


    Which of these will you vote for?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the more significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #10 - Renault FT-17 (France)

    Active Service Entry – 1917/18
    Weight – 6.6 metric tons
    Top Speed – 8 Km/h (5 mph)
    Main Armament – 37mm gun or 8mm MG
    No. Produced – 3,800 (approx.)

    For further basic info, you can start with Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_FT















    Candidate #14 - BT-5/7 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Service Entry – 1933 (BT-5); 1935 (BT-7)
    Weight – 11.5 metric tons (-5); 13.9 metric tons (-7)
    Top Speed – Wheels: 72 km/h (45 mph); Tracks: 50 km/h (31 mph)
    Main Armament – 45mm gun
    No. Produced – (-5 & -7 combined) approx. 7,500

    For further basic info, check Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_tank
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT-7

    Captured BT-5 in Finnish service



    BT-7



    BT-7




    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!



    92
    Renault FT-17 (France)
    83.70%
    77
    BT-5/7 (Soviet Union/Russia)
    16.30%
    15

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 11 Aug 14, 10:21.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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    Renault FT-17 (France),

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    • #3
      The FT-17 led the way.
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      • #4
        FT 17 for me as well.
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        • #5
          For me this is an original (FT-17) vs a copy (BT-5/7 Christie copy).

          The Soviet BT-5/7 was the first effective, mass-produced, combat-tested application of Christies prototypes, leading the way to the T-34 and the British cruiser tanks. That is certainly both significant and influential.

          But the FT-17 was a first, introducing the features that defines "tank" to this very day or has become dominant features in tank design.

          - Hull divided into three compartments: Driving, fighting and engine.
          - Rotating turret with main armament on top of the hull
          - Engine in the rear, rear drive

          On top of that, it was the primary French tank in WWI, was widely exported and formed the basis for other designs like the US Ford 6-ton tank, the Italian Fiat 3000 and the Soviet KS. FTs were used and even saw combat around the world in the post-WWI era, probably being the first tanks to be used in an amfibious assault, among other things.

          Significant and influential beyond most other tanks evere made, clearly beating the BT-series.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cbo View Post
            For me this is an original (FT-17) vs a copy (BT-5/7 Christie copy).

            The Soviet BT-5/7 was the first effective, mass-produced, combat-tested application of Christies prototypes, leading the way to the T-34 and the British cruiser tanks. That is certainly both significant and influential.

            But the FT-17 was a first, introducing the features that defines "tank" to this very day or has become dominant features in tank design.

            - Hull divided into three compartments: Driving, fighting and engine.
            - Rotating turret with main armament on top of the hull
            - Engine in the rear, rear drive

            On top of that, it was the primary French tank in WWI, was widely exported and formed the basis for other designs like the US Ford 6-ton tank, the Italian Fiat 3000 and the Soviet KS. FTs were used and even saw combat around the world in the post-WWI era, probably being the first tanks to be used in an amfibious assault, among other things.

            Significant and influential beyond most other tanks evere made, clearly beating the BT-series.
            Yup!

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            • #7
              Renault FT-17

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              • #8
                Renault.
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                • #9
                  FT-17

                  The British made the tank.
                  The French made the biggest contribution to its effectiveness.
                  If these two were in the final I would be very pleased.
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                  • #10
                    Aargh - probably the two designs from pre-WWII worth debating.
                    Renault because it was the first tank.

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                    • #11
                      I voted for the first true tank.
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                      • #12
                        as i said in previous poll involving Ft-17, it show what a tank should look like: a gun in a revolving turret.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by broderickwells View Post
                          Aargh - probably the two designs from pre-WWII worth debating.
                          Renault because it was the first tank.
                          Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                          I voted for the first true tank.
                          Originally posted by kurt tank 152 View Post
                          as i said in previous poll involving Ft-17, it show what a tank should look like: a gun in a revolving turret.
                          Agreed. Plus, the BTs basically WERE Christies. FT-17 WAS FT-17.

                          Of course probably 99.99% of us, when we think of "tank" think of a heavily armored vehicle with a large caliber gun in a revolving turret. We probably don't think of WWI Mark tanks. So Kudos to the FT-17 for shaping our perception of a tank, as the first true tank.
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                          • #14
                            Renault...!!

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                            • #15
                              FT-17

                              The BT series was a succesful copy of the Christies and lead to the T-34 but the FT-17 was built in the thousands in WW1 and made Tanks look like Armor or Panzers...
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