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Rnd 2 Grp 3 - T-64 (Soviet Union/Russia) vs M24 Chaffee (USA)

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  • #31
    As a light tank for late WW2 and the immediate post-war years, I think the M24 was a little beauty; and quite significant in its own way, for that short timeframe.

    But for this whole period, and against these criteria? Not even a question. T-64 it is.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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    • #32
      Both tanks were certainly influential. The T-64 got my vote for numbers built and length of service.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by andrewza View Post
        And those great western tanks where developed because of the perceived advantages in USSR tanks such as the T64.
        Yep. And now we know that it was all smoke and mirrors.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DogDodger View Post
          And the M24 contributed to the these vehicles how...?
          In the same manner any tank is developed, learned-from, redesigned, etc. Do you think every tank is somehow singular and completely unique in its design and creation?

          http://www.benning.army.mil/armor/hi...Cold%20War.pdf

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Armored Fist View Post
            Yep. And now we know that it was all smoke and mirrors.
            I would have said, partly smoke and mirrors; or maybe even, mostly smoke and mirrors. But not entirely smoke and mirrors.

            When the basic attributes of such Soviet/Russian designs as T-64 and T-72 first became known in the West IIRC there was much hullaballoo over their obvious apparent advantages and/or the technical progression they represented; but their very significant disadvantages were not so obvious; at least not to the casual observer or tank enthusiast.

            As far as some of our intelligence people and certain segments of our military were concerned, I'm guessing there was probably a somewhat more shrewd idea of what price the Russians had most likely paid in the balance, to have so much crammed into such a small package.

            Waddaya reckon?
            "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Armored Fist View Post
              In the same manner any tank is developed, learned-from, redesigned, etc. Do you think every tank is somehow singular and completely unique in its design and creation?

              http://www.benning.army.mil/armor/hi...Cold%20War.pdf
              OK, so the M24 contributed to the development of the M1 by simply coming into existence nearly 40 years prior. And by using that logic and extrapolating your statement: "Even the worst tanks manufactured by the US, UK, Germany, and Israel are more significant than the best tanks produced by every other country in the world because those worst tanks can be placed somewhere in a tank production timeline that eventually features the M1, Leopard, Challenger, and Merkava." Got it.

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              • #37
                T-64....

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                • #38
                  T-64
                  "A foolish man thinks he knows everything if placed in unexpected difficulty; but he knows not what to answer, if to the test he is put."

                  --Hávamál

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