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  • Rnd 2 Grp 2 - T-34 (Soviet Union/Russia) vs KV tanks (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Round 2, Group 2: T-34 (Soviet Union/Russia) vs KV Tanks (Soviet Union/Russia)


    I think most of us would agree that there are few if any other WW2 tanks that were as influential as the T-34. Certainly, it had a profound impact on the Germans when they encountered it on the battlefield; and by way of response the influence of the T-34 on German tank design - most notably in the Panther - is well known. Most of us, I think, would also acknowledge that the T-34 was - flaws notwithstanding - an effective solution for the Soviets. Furthermore, it was manufactured and fielded in such large numbers that its overall significance cannot be ignored.

    In terms of numbers produced and - arguably - overall battlefield effectiveness the KV tanks do not appear to be as significant. On the other hand, in the opening stages of the war on the Eastern Front it was the near-invulnerability of the KV that deeply impressed the Germans. In this context then, if no other, the KV tanks were certainly influential. They also led to the much more effective IS tanks which can be seen as quite significant in that sense.

    Although the Germans had been impressed with some of the British and French tanks they encountered in 1940 and had initiated certain measures in response, perhaps more than anything else it was both of these Soviet tanks in mid 1941 that accelerated their efforts and spurred them on to upgrading their existing tanks and pushing new designs into service as quickly as possible.

    Question is, which of these two Soviet tanks most deserves to get through Round 2?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the most significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #28 - T-34 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Service Entry 1940
    Weight 26.5 - 32 metric tons (depending on variant)
    Top Speed 53 km/h (33 mph)
    Main Armament 76.2mm or 85mm gun
    No. Produced 80,000 (approx.; including post-war but sources vary)

    For further info, see Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34#Mass_production












    Candidate #29 - KV Tanks (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Active Service Entry 1939/40
    Weight 45 metric tons ~ (KV-1 - varied with model)
    Top Speed 35 km/h (22 mph)
    Main Armament 76.2 mm gun
    No. Produced 5,200 (approx.)

    For further info, see Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliment_Voroshilov_tank







    KV-2




    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!


    95
    T-34 (Soviet Union/Russia)
    100.00%
    95
    KV tanks (Soviet Union/Russia)
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 26 Jul 14, 01:04.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

  • #2
    T-34
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    • #3
      The T34 a great ww2 tank
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      • #4
        T-34 (Soviet Union/Russia)

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        • #5
          The T-34 was still in active service across the world into the 80's.

          Pruitt
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
            The T-34 was still in active service across the world into the 80's.

            Pruitt
            ... and in a few places, the 90's and early 2000's.
            "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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            • #7
              T-34...Slopped armour, effective main gun, speed...It has it all, except better crew comfort.

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              • #8
                T-34 (Soviet Union/Russia) most influential,

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                • #9
                  Trickier choice than I thought, but the T-34 gets the vote because it went on to found the long line of developments and upgrades of its type while the Soviets rapidly abandoned the KV series and too slow and bulky to be effective against other tanks.

                  However, the KV was the precursor to the Soviet love affair with heavy armor.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    T-34...

                    IMO it was simply more influential than the KVs were.
                    BoRG
                    "... and that was the last time they called me Freakboy Moses"

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                    • #11
                      The T-34. If the question had been: "what tank would you prefer to serve as a Soviet tanker in 1941?", then I'd go for one of the KV variants then in servce. But most influential? The more innovative one, the one that spawned counter vehicles and descendants. The T-34.
                      Michele

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                      • #12
                        the 100% currently enjoyed by the T-34 speaks highly of the voting public here.
                        "In the absence of orders...find something and kill it!" Lt. General Erwin Rommel, 1942

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                        • #13
                          I truly admire the way Panther is able to make a case for any tank. For anyone to give more than half a thought on this one is a true accomplishment. T-34.

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                          • #14
                            Both the KV and the T34 contributed to the shock that hit the Germans in 1941 and kicked off the arms-race in tanks for the rest of WWII in which the Eastern Front was the driving force. So both were influential.
                            Significance has to go to the T34 though, for being the better and more durable design, higher production numbers, better development potential etc.

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                            • #15
                              Agree with the consensus here. Both tanks had a lot of impact but the T-34 was the more significant design IMO.
                              "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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