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  • #46
    I voted for the Tiger because it was well armored and had great mobility and firepower. I like the Churchill for it adaptability to other role such as mine clearing and counter obstacle m work as well as bridge launching to quickly replace bridges until more suitable one can be built by the Engineers.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Merkava188 View Post
      I voted for the Tiger because it was well armored and had great mobility and firepower.
      Did the Tiger have better mobility than the Churchill?

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      • #48
        Did any thing have better cross country mobliety than the churchel? Thing could go any where though at a slow speed.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
          Did the Tiger have better mobility than the Churchill?

          Paul
          The trials that the British conducted in 1944-45 indicated that the Tiger I had by far the worst mobility on soft ground of all the tanks they tested, including Churchill, Panther, Sherman, Comet and Cromwell.
          "Looting would not be tolerated within the Division, unless organised with the knowledge of C.O.'s on a unit basis."
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          • #50
            The Tiger convinced everyone you needed a really big MF gun.
            Can't think what the Churchill convinced everybody was important.
            That's influence.

            Significance? Can't think of anything significant about either, except for the ongoing fanboyism associated with the Tigers.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by broderickwells View Post
              Can't think what the Churchill convinced everybody was important.
              Versatility, with the 'funnies'?
              "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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              • #52
                Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                Versatility, with the 'funnies'?
                I'll go with that.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                  Did the Tiger have better mobility than the Churchill?

                  Paul
                  No.

                  Most Churchills were better than any Tiger on the most important elements. Tactical mobility might actually be the best feature of the Churchill, a lesson the Nazi's never really learned. An obvious example is that Churchill's (those which were able to cross the beach) climbed the sea wall at Dieppe, something that no German WW2 tank could ever do was lost on them. They were shocked from Tunisia 43 and still in Germany 45 at the Churchills ability to cross bad ground.

                  Churchills were really the Grand-daddy of specialist engineering afv's as well.

                  However, Tigers are the most well known tanks today. They represent what a TANK is supposed to be in the publics eye. The public don't care if Patton would have actually failed during Cobra with Panthers and Tigers instead of Shermans. The public like big and impressive. That means politicians tend to like big and impressive. Tigers win here.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
                    No.

                    Most Churchills were better than any Tiger on the most important elements. Tactical mobility might actually be the best feature of the Churchill, a lesson the Nazi's never really learned. An obvious example is that Churchill's (those which were able to cross the beach) climbed the sea wall at Dieppe, something that no German WW2 tank could ever do was lost on them. They were shocked from Tunisia 43 and still in Germany 45 at the Churchills ability to cross bad ground.

                    Churchills were really the Grand-daddy of specialist engineering afv's as well.

                    However, Tigers are the most well known tanks today. They represent what a TANK is supposed to be in the publics eye. The public don't care if Patton would have actually failed during Cobra with Panthers and Tigers instead of Shermans. The public like big and impressive. That means politicians tend to like big and impressive. Tigers win here.
                    There he is! Thanks for joining in Nick! If nothing else, I've learned of the magnificent mobility of the Churchill from you! +1

                    I liken the Churchill to the modern day smart device. Instead of, "there's an app for that!" It's, "there's a Churchill mod for that!"
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                    • #55
                      The Tiger for me....

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                      • #56
                        I think the Churchill was the best overall tank in WW2.
                        I have ample justification for this view.

                        If I'm not voting for it in a poll, you almost certainly can be sure it does not deserve to win considering the criteria of the poll.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
                          If I'm not voting for it in a poll, you almost certainly can be sure it does not deserve to win considering the criteria of the poll.
                          Either that, Nick, or we are sending you to the Doctor because you must be feeling sick!!!
                          "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by panther3485 View Post
                            Either that, Nick, or we are sending you to the Doctor because you must be feeling sick!!!

                            Based on the criteria of the poll, the Churchill does not deserve to win group 2. That honour should go to the T-34, although I suspect the US membership here will place the M4 above it.

                            Too many people are unfortunately treating this as a best tank thread imho.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post

                              Based on the criteria of the poll, the Churchill does not deserve to win group 2. That honour should go to the T-34, although I suspect the US membership here will place the M4 above it.

                              Too many people are unfortunately treating this as a best tank thread imho.
                              I'm inclined to agree, but don't forget that this is the last Round with a "Group 2". For the next Round, Groups 1 & 2 are combined to create Group A, while Groups 3 & 4 will become Group B. And after Round 3, no more groups at all.
                              "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

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                              • #60
                                Tiger wins poll for "attracts most viewers to History Channel".

                                Can't think of any other criteria in which it excels, tbh.
                                "Looting would not be tolerated within the Division, unless organised with the knowledge of C.O.'s on a unit basis."
                                - 15/19 Hussars War Diary, 18th March 1945

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