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    Round 2, Group 2: Churchill (Britain) vs Tiger tanks (Germany)


    The Churchill is seen by many as the best British tank of WW2 and by some as one of the best fielded by any nation during that conflict. It was also built in sufficient numbers to have a worthwhile impact. The Churchill is perhaps most well remembered for the very considerable number of roles and tasks to which it could be adapted. This, combined with excellent cross-country tactical mobility, made it very much the "tool for many jobs". It also seems to have been very well liked by its crews.

    Tiger: One of the most famous and iconic tank names from WW2. In the minds of many, the Tigers were the ultimate battle tanks of that conflict. Among the general population of today's Western world, surely there can be very few tanks that have acquired anything like the Tiger's level of fame/infamy and aura of mystique. Much of this, of course, is based more in legend than fact but even with the legend stripped away, the Tiger had a real battlefield and morale impact - on both sides - that was greater than the numbers produced.

    In retrospect, which of these two candidates - The Churchill or the Tiger tanks - should be considered the most significant or influential?
    Crunch time!


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the most significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #19 - Churchill (Britain)

    Active Service Entry 1941/42
    Weight 38.5 tons ~ (some variation with mark)
    Top Speed 24 km/h (15 mph)
    Main Armament considerable variations (check references)
    No. Produced 7,368

    For further basic info, see Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_tank









    Candidate #27 - Tiger Tanks (Germany)

    Active Service Entry 1942/43 (Tiger I) 1944 (Tiger II)
    Weight 56 metric tons (I); 69 metric tons (II)
    Top Speed 45 km/h (28 mph) (I); 41.5 km/h (25.8 mph) (II)
    Main Armament 88mm gun
    No. Produced 1,347 (I); 492 (II)

    For further info, check Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II













    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!


    92
    Churchill (Britain)
    22.83%
    21
    Tiger tanks (Germany)
    77.17%
    71

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 26 Jul 14, 01:25.
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  • #2
    Tiger

    And was surprised that only 1,347 were produced. Would've thought a lot more of them where churned out. But then again, Germany wasn't making them for export.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by R. Evans View Post
      Tiger

      And was surprised that only 1,347 were produced. Would've thought a lot more of them where churned out. But then again, Germany wasn't making them for export.
      It approaches 2,000 tanks if you include Tiger II as well; but that's still a pretty small quantity. The Tigers were never meant to be produced in large numbers being a high-cost, no expense spared 'premium' heavy tank to supplement the main armoured force.
      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
      Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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      • #4
        I liked the churchel AVER and the other modifications down to them
        you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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        • #5
          Two developmental dead ends really.

          The most significant thing about the Tiger is its reputation, but how influential it really was on the battlefield is a matter of some doubt. I think the opportunity cost was also probably quite significant.

          I think the Churchill was probably more influential in battle, and in the development of specialist armour, and it did go on to have something of a post-war career, so I voted for that.

          I found out recently that AVRE's were used extensively in combat which surprised me as I thought they were only used as pre- and post-battle engineering vehicles. They seemed to have the same moral effect as the Crocodile. When one showed up outside a prepared enemy position, a mass surrender would often immediately ensue.
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          • #6
            while it fired one big ass shell
            you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

            CPO Mzinyati

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            • #7
              Tiger tanks (Germany)

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              • #8
                Allied Armor was scared to death of Tigers. The same could not be said of Axis troops for the Churchill.

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                • #9
                  Look at the turret of the Tiger II and then look at the turret of the M-60A1.

                  Influence
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GCoyote View Post
                    Look at the turret of the Tiger II and then look at the turret of the M-60A1.

                    Influence
                    Quite so.
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                    • #11
                      The Churchill was the better tank but the Tiger was infuential and significant beyond the Churchill. The fear of the Tiger was significant and influential.
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                      • #12
                        Hmmmm, tough one here.... I'll consider this one a bit longer before casting my vote.
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                        Ernest Hemingway.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
                          Hmmmm, tough one here.... I'll consider this one a bit longer before casting my vote.
                          Gaz, how can you even possibly consider voting against my beloved Tiger....?

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                          • #14
                            I had to think a bit for this one.

                            I went with the Churchill. The Brits still consider heavy armored tanks the most important requirement (vs speed)for their tanks - Chieftain, Challenger

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                            • #15
                              Tiger Tanks (Germany)

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