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  • Rnd 2 Grp 1 - TNH/LT-38 (Czechoslovakia) vs Christie Mediums 28/36/T3 (USA)

    Round 2, Group 1: TNH/LT-38 (Czechoslovakia) vs Christie Mediums M1928/36 & T3 (USA)


    In its early forms, the TNH/LT-38 enjoyed considerable export success. Following the German take-over of Czechoslovak military production, the value of the type was fully appreciated by the German Army and it saw extensive service in the early campaigns of WW2 as the Pzkpfw 38(t). Following its fading from service as a first-line battle tank, the basic chassis continued to be employed in very substantial numbers in a variety of roles.

    The Christie Mediums led to - or in some important way helped to shape or inspire - a number of cruiser/medium tanks that would see large-scale service during WW2. Most notable of these was the Soviet BT series which in turn formed a substantial part of the basis from which the T-34 was developed.

    So, what's it to be? Will you go for the practical and highly successful Czechoslovak design that played a significant role in the 'Blitzkrieg' campaigns and had its chassis adapted to many roles? Or will it be the American machines that heavily influenced one of the most important tank family lines of all time?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the most significant and/or influential?


    Candidate #7 - TNH/LT-38 (Czechoslovakia)

    Active Service Entry 1939
    Weight 9.8 metric tons
    Top Speed 42 km/h (26 mph)
    Main Armament 37mm gun
    No. Produced 1,400+

    For further basic info, see Wiki here (again, main emphasis on German use):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_38(t)

    LTP variant (exported to Peru)







    Candidate #16 - Christie Mediums M1928/36 & T3 (USA)

    (Note: Data for T3, which was based on the M1928)
    Service Entry N/A (tested by US Army)
    Weight 10.8 tons
    Top Speed 74 km/h (46 mph) wheels; 43 km/h (27 mph) tracks
    Main Armament 37mm gun
    No. Produced 9

    For further basic info, you can start with Wiki here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Walter_Christie

    Christie M1928



    Christie M1936



    Christie T3





    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!




    87
    TNH/LT-38 (Czechoslovakia)
    41.38%
    36
    Christie Mediums 28/36/T3 (USA)
    58.62%
    51

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by panther3485; 26 Jul 14, 02:47.
    "England expects that every man will do his duty!" (English crew members had better get ready for a tough fight against the combined French and Spanish fleets because that's what England expects! However, Scotland, Wales and Ireland appear to expect nothing so the Scottish, Welsh and Irish crew members can relax below decks if they like!)

  • #2
    TNH/LT-38
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    • #3
      TNH/LT-38 (Czechoslovakia)

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      • #4
        Both have the same suspension and the Panzer 38 was a much better tank.

        Pruitt
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
          Both have the same suspension

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          • #6
            My bad. On checking it out further, the T-38 has leaf spring suspension. I still like it better than the Christie tank.

            Pruitt
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            • #7
              Most influential ? The Christie.
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              Samuel Johnson.

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              • #8
                The Christie suspension was copied by a number of tanks, including the LT-38 and T-34.

                I voted Christie.

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                • #9
                  Christie Mediums 28/36/T3 (USA)

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                  • #10
                    I have to go with the Christie, whose suspension lead to a number of very successful tank designs and was widely copied.

                    We would have been wise to have accepted Christie's designs ourselves, rather than pushing him into the hands of the Russians.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Capt AFB View Post
                      The Christie suspension was copied by a number of tanks, including the LT-38 and T-34.
                      The BT series and many British cruisers used Christie springs, but not the Czechs.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DogDodger View Post
                        The BT series and many British cruisers used Christie springs, but not the Czechs.
                        I stand corrected, My dear Sir!

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                        • #13
                          The Czech 38t hands down saw far more service than the Christie designs. But, the Christie designs formed the basis for a whole generation of fast tanks and may even be the influence behind the road wheel choice on the 38t itself.
                          Christie's layout, the armor patterning (note the front being nicely sloped), suspension designs, and even the engine layout were widely copied and became the paradigm for over a generation of tanks.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            The Czech 38t hands down saw far more service than the Christie designs. But, the Christie designs formed the basis for a whole generation of fast tanks and may even be the influence behind the road wheel choice on the 38t itself.
                            Christie's layout, the armor patterning (note the front being nicely sloped), suspension designs, and even the engine layout were widely copied and became the paradigm for over a generation of tanks.
                            BT tanks and T-34, entire line of British cruisers from A13 to Cromwell and Comet. While LT-38 had a nice carrier post-war, mostly as chassis, Christie based tanks were far more numerous, saw far more actions, and for gun part they were used in their original role.
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                            • #15
                              I voted for the 38.
                              While the Christie was probably the more influential/innovative design, the 38 had the greater direct impact.
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