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  • Rnd 1 Grp 3 - T-34-85 (Soviet Union/Russia) vs T44/T54/55 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Round 1, Group 3: T-34-85 (Soviet Union/Russia) vs T-44/T-54/55 (Soviet Union/Russia)


    This particular poll pits the old against the not-quite-so-old, from the same parent nation.

    T-34-85 represents the final major development of the WW2 Soviet T-34 design, which started out in 1940/41 with what was - for the time - an outstanding dual-purpose 76.2mm gun. (This original version of the tank is generally referred to in the West as T-34/76). However, the gun was mounted in a very cramped 2-man turret. Improvements to the turret helped somewhat with the interior space but the fundamental issue of having the commander also doubling as the gunner remained until 1944, when the T-34-85 combined the increased hitting power of an 85mm gun with a new enlarged 3-man turret.
    The T-34-85 is noted as having an extremely long post-WW2 career, serving in a large number of conflicts around the World, spanning at least half a century after it first entered combat.

    The T-44 can be seen as an interim step between the T-34 and the T-54, and served in comparatively small numbers for a relatively short time. Its main significance is that it led to the T-54/55 series.

    The T-54/T-55 (the latter being essentially the same but with some improvements) was to become the quintessential post-WW2 Soviet/Russian tank. More T-54/55 (and derivative) tanks have been built than any other basic type. The total easily exceeds 100,000. In one form or another, this tank has seen action in virtually every armoured conflict for the last 70 years. It first saw service in the late 1940’s and under various designations and names it still serves in large numbers today.

    So, what will your verdict be? The grand-daddy T-34, which arguably began the design lineage from as far back as 1939/40; or its descendants – T54/55 and offspring – that under one name or another have played on nearly every stage a tank could have played since the ‘Cold War’ began?


    Only one of these two candidates will make it to the next round!

    Which of them is the most significant and/or influential?



    Candidate #38 - T-34-85 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    Service Entry – 1944
    Weight – 32 metric tons
    Top Speed – 55 km/h (34 mph)
    Main Armament – 85mm gun
    No. Produced – 45,000 (approx.)

    For further info, check these wiki entries:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34#T-34-85












    Candidate #39 - T-44/T-54/55 (Soviet Union/Russia)

    (Data for T-54/55)
    Service Entry – 1947
    Weight – 36-40 metric tons
    Top Speed – 48-50 km/h (30-31 mph)
    Main Armament – 100mm gun
    No. Produced – 100,000+

    For further info, check these:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-44
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55
    http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product415.html

    T-44


    T-54


    T-55




    Consider the criteria with care! You decide!

    93
    T-34-85 (Soviet Union/Russia)
    56.99%
    53
    T-44/T-54/55
    43.01%
    40

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Skoblin; 27 Jun 14, 00:24.
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

  • #2
    For all its faults, the T-54/55 is just better all around.

    Pruitt
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    • #3
      The T-54/55 doesn't have that horrible gully trap the T-34 had, but how can one vote against a tank that smashed (in various forms) the mighty German panzers?

      The T-34 might well be the most influentual tank ever built.
      Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the cheesemakers

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      • #4
        I went with the T-34. It had a massive influence upon tank design.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          T-34.
          It won the war on the Eastern Front.
          BoRG

          You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in You - Leon Trotski, June 1919.

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          • #6
            The T34 was such a game-changer as far as AFV design went, that it has to be considered one of the most influential tanks.
            BoRG
            "... and that was the last time they called me Freakboy Moses"

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            • #7
              As much as the T34 was influential, the T54/55 helped define an era of tanks past the T34-KV2 combination. Without the T54 you don't see a host of other tank designs from the Soviet Bloc.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • #8
                T-34 was a very influential design, as it essentially begat the tank armament and armor race in World War II, but in this poll the choice is specifically T-34-85. By the time T-34-85 had entered service in early 1944, the T-34's cat was long out of the bag; Panther had been in service for a year and even Tiger Ausf.B debuted that same month. Compared to T-54 and its longevity, ubiquity, effectiveness, offshoots, and influence on other nations, I don't think T-34-85 specifically can claim to be more significant or influential.

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                • #9
                  These is a really difficult one but I gotta go with the T-54/55. The number of conflicts it's been involved in is overwhelming and it is the most produced tank in history. It was also the main tank for the Warsaw Pact for awhile.

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                  • #10
                    T-34, the tank that broke the back of German armor and woke up the entire Western world.
                    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                      As much as the T34 was influential, the T54/55 helped define an era of tanks past the T34-KV2 combination. Without the T54 you don't see a host of other tank designs from the Soviet Bloc.
                      Bolded by me...

                      While I agree with that part. Without the T34, there never would have been a T54 to influence later designs.
                      BoRG
                      "... and that was the last time they called me Freakboy Moses"

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                      • #12
                        Tricky!
                        The 34/85 was slightly less effective than the Panther and the 54/55 was a development of it.
                        It's got to be the 54/55,if only for its ubiquity and numbers,it's up there with the AK to symbolise "old enemies".

                        The T54/55.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arthwys View Post
                          Bolded by me...

                          While I agree with that part. Without the T34, there never would have been a T54 to influence later designs.
                          Well....if there wasn't a MkI then there wouldn't be later designs.....

                          My point was that the T-34 was the end of one era of Soviet Tanks. The T54 was the beginning of the next. The T54's design influenced Soviet/Russian tank design (and correspondingly Western tank design) for decades.
                          Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                          • #14
                            Based on history, the T-34 easily.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                              As much as the T34 was influential, the T54/55 helped define an era of tanks past the T34-KV2 combination. Without the T54 you don't see a host of other tank designs from the Soviet Bloc.
                              Yes, but would you see the T-54 itself... without the T-34/85?
                              Michele

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